KWTC 讲座

She is pretty interesting girl. I couldn't sit and enjoy with her, when I was in Alaska she was really humorous, funny, I like her. She is quite a thing if you try to know certain secret call them 'Alaskan Secrets.' She is good at it. You know my situation I know lot of things. Certain things I know to experience, certain things I know I meet lot of people, certain things I know that comes in my way, certain things I know intuitively, certain things I know through meditation, but the funny part of it is that Siri Hari is here. That is... that I do not know why it happens and why she left me when she claimed "I am in love with you" and yesterday I couldn't even track her down.

她是个挺有意思的姑娘。我没法坐下来跟她好好享受，我在阿拉斯加的时候，她真的很幽默、很逗，我喜欢她。你要是试着去了解某些秘密，管它们叫「阿拉斯加的秘密」，她挺在行的。你知道我的情况，我知道很多事情。有些事我是靠体验知道的，有些事我是靠遇见很多人知道的，有些事是迎面而来让我知道的，有些事我是凭直觉知道的，有些事我是通过冥想知道的，但好笑的是，Siri Hari 在这儿。那就是……我不知道为什么会这样，也不知道她为什么离开我，她当初还声称「我爱上你了」，而昨天我连找都找不到她。

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YB: You?

YB：你？

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YB: Quite a favor, very favor, it's a great favor. It is favored. I am going to build a box of Cedar Wood which nobody can eat away and I am going to put you in and I want to lock it. Then I am going to get a very hefty kind of black guy who can carry you in the back. And people will say what? We will say it is a special equipment, and we write on the wooden box, "CIA."

YB：真是帮大忙，大忙，天大的忙。这忙帮得好。我要做一个雪松木的箱子，谁也啃不掉，我要把你放进去，还要锁上。然后我要找一个非常壮实的黑人，能把你背在背上。人们会问那是什么？我们就说这是特殊装备，然后在木箱上写上「CIA」。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

So no custom will check. You like the idea?

这样海关就不会查。你喜欢这主意吗？

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: Today we are starting one of the greatest subjects in the history of the man, which man tries to learn and always was foolish and brought him the miseries and out of those miseries came the birth of the religion. There was no religion to begin with. Man had only one religion to live. That was the religion. And because the man did not know the psychology of communication and could not keep the tab on it, it created miscommunication and misunderstanding. The net result was the chaos, out of the chaos man wanted to become wiser. To become wiser man wanted to know, to know man wanted to experience. Then man made certain ethical laws, certain moral laws, certain spiritual laws. All those moral, ethical and spiritual laws when we put together they became the religion one way or the other. And then afterwards man looked at those laws and looked at that religion and those practices which gave him the experience like United States of America.

YB：今天我们要开始讲人类历史上最伟大的主题之一，人一直想学它，却总是很愚蠢，给自己带来了种种苦难，而正是从这些苦难里，诞生了宗教。起初并没有宗教。人只有一种宗教可活，那就是生活本身。因为人不懂沟通的心理学，也管不住它，就造成了沟通不良和误解。最终的结果是混乱，人想从混乱中变得更智慧。要变得更智慧，人就想知道；要知道，人就想体验。于是人定下了一些伦理法则、一些道德法则、一些灵性法则。所有这些道德、伦理和灵性法则，当我们把它们放在一起，它们就或多或少变成了宗教。再后来，人看着那些法则，看着那个宗教，看着那些曾给他带来体验的修习，就像美利坚合众国一样。

We had the best constitution, best human rights, best everything. We can't live it. So man made such a beautiful, bountiful religious pathway but he could not travel. That is the lump sum story of the man. Knows all, builds all, does all, but does not know how to live to it. Man could not live his own rules. Man cannot stimulate his own glandular system. Man cannot upkeep his own nervous system. Man cannot keep his circulatory system. Man cannot produce his own priority of his own blood, which feeds his body through which he lives. Do you really understand what is going on? That's the fact. Don't misunderstand that man cannot go to the Moon. Man has gone on the Moon before. On a single chair. Those Vabaan, those aeroplanes and whatever they were, they were just like cars, they used to run on what you call is mercury vapors.

我们曾有最好的宪法、最好的人权、最好的一切。我们却活不出来。所以人铺出了一条如此美丽、如此丰盛的宗教之路，却走不了。这就是人的总账故事。什么都知道，什么都能建，什么都能做，却不知道怎么照着活。人活不出自己定的规矩。人无法激发自己的腺体系统。人无法维护自己的神经系统。人无法维持自己的循环系统。人无法制造出自己血液的优先次序，而血液滋养着他的身体，他靠它活着。你真的明白正在发生什么吗？这就是事实。别误会，人不是上不了月球。人以前就上过月球。坐在一把椅子上。那些 Vabaan，那些飞机，不管它们是什么，它们就像汽车一样，靠你们所说的水银蒸气运行。

Mercury will transfer itself in mercury vapors and mercury vapors will transfer itself in... mercury will create so much heat and generates so much energy that man could fly five thousand miles per hour in a single little aeroplane, which goes to space, visit other stars, I mean that was just like let us go to Espanola, let us go to Matilda, right? We say sometime, right? That's how they used to say. Let us go to the underworld, let us go to such and such star, let us go to such and such place. It's not religious myth, it's a reality, it's the experience written in the scriptures. There was a power, there is still that power and there is going to be the same power. It's not going to be taken away from man because God is complete, God is perfect. So is the human. Perfect cannot create imperfect. Perfect?

水银会把自己转化成水银蒸气，水银蒸气又会把自己转化成……水银会产生那么多热量，生成那么多能量，让人能坐着一架小小的飞机，以每小时五千英里的速度飞行，飞到太空，去访问别的星球。我的意思是，那就像说，我们去埃斯帕尼奥拉吧，我们去玛蒂尔达吧，对吧？我们有时候会这么说，对吧？他们以前就是这么说的。我们去地下世界吧，我们去某某星球吧，我们去某某地方吧。这不是宗教神话，这是真实，这是写在经典里的体验。曾经有一种力量，那种力量现在还在，将来也还是同一种力量。它不会从人身上被拿走，因为神是完整的，神是完美的。人也一样。完美不可能创造出不完美。完美？

Students: Cannot create a imperfect.

学生：不可能创造出完美。

YB: So nothing in you is perfect. It can't be. It's not possible. You understand? Perfect could only create perfect. Then from where the imperfect came? The imperfect came when we lost track of our originality, when we lost track of our simplicity, our own reality. Who am I? I am three things. I am a Bhajan, I am a Yogi Bhajan, I am a Bhajan who is Siri Singh Sahib. Right? You follow? Now that's not enough. I am a father, I am a friend, I am a boyfriend, I am a girlfriend, I am a man, I am a idiot, I am a great, I am a butt on which everybody has to put is shit, I am the greatest man who has to be worshipped, God knows how many facets I got developed into multiple facets and there sits a one simple thing.

YB：所以你里面没有一样东西是完美的。它不可能是。这不可能。你明白吗？完美只能创造出完美。那这不完美是从哪儿来的？不完美是在我们跟自己的本来面目失去联系时来的，是在我们跟自己的单纯、自己的真实失去联系时来的。我是谁？我是三样东西。我是一个 Bhajan，我是一个 Yogi Bhajan，我是一个身为 Siri Singh Sahib 的 Bhajan。对吧？你跟上了吗？可这还不够。我是一个父亲，我是一个朋友，我是一个男朋友，我是一个女朋友，我是一个男人，我是一个白痴，我是一个伟人，我是一个人人都得往上拉屎的屁股，我是一个必须被崇拜的最伟大的人，天知道我有多少个刻面，发展成了多少个刻面，而在那里坐着的，是一个很简单的东西。

Very simple thing, Bhajan. A identity, a creature. But you want to look at me, you can go miles and miles for positive and miles and miles for negative and in the end you say where we are, who is this? And that's not a confusion about me, it's confusion about all of you. Your greatness and your smallness of belittleness is so vast that it can create the gulf, which can contain the entire planet in it. Idea is what to do? We have religion we cannot live up to it, we have discipline, we cannot make it, we have personality we cannot express it. We have position we cannot stand on it. God we have everything and we can't use anything. So what we have to do? Talk not to talk, talk to communicate, first rule. Talk to?

很简单的东西，Bhajan。一个身份，一个受造物。可你想看我，你可以往正面走很多很多英里，也可以往负面走很多很多英里，到最后你说，我们在哪儿，这是谁？而这不是关于我的困惑，这是关于你们所有人的困惑。你的伟大和你的渺小、你的卑微，大得能造出一道鸿沟，里面能装下整个星球。问题是我们该怎么办？我们有宗教，我们活不出它；我们有纪律，我们做不到；我们有人格，我们表达不出来；我们有地位，我们站不住脚。天哪，我们什么都有，却什么也用不上。那我们该怎么办？说话不是为了说话，说话是为了沟通，这是第一条规则。说话是为了？

Students: Communicate.

学生：沟通。

YB: Now let us communicate today, that's the workshop I want to go through. I need volunteers one after the other, I'll give the subject. Anybody can stand up. But one at a time. Make up your mind. Okay, so be it. In fifteen lines communicate that you hate me the most, and I am the ugliest person on the planet. Don't waste time. I don't see it is very difficult to say. Law of polarity says whosoever is positive is equally negative. And that is neutral. I know you are emotionally devotional and you are devotional... you go on the mike. Yeah, yeah. So I'll pick up a subject, which you have to work on, right? Say fifteen lines, which should convince this audience that I am the dirtiest person on the Planet and you are the most graceful woman on the Earth. If you say dirty things, which make you feel and look ugly then job is not done.

YB：今天我们来交流一下，这就是我想带你们做的练习课。我需要志愿者，一个接一个上来，我会给出题目。谁都可以站起来。但一次一个人。下定决心。好，那就这样。用十五句话来传达：你最恨我，我是这个星球上最丑的人。别浪费时间。我看这并不难说。极性法则说，凡是正面的，就同等程度地是负面的。而那个就是中性。我知道你在情感上很虔诚，你很虔诚……你到麦克风那儿去。对，对。那我来挑一个题目，你得围绕它来说，对吧？说十五句话，要让在座这些人相信我是这个星球上最肮脏的人，而你是地球上最优雅的女人。如果你说的话让你自己觉得丑陋、看起来也丑陋，那任务就没完成。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: (?) possible sir.

学生：（？）可能吧，先生。

YB: I can give you an example. You love me very much, I am going to tell you, you don't, I am going to not look ugly, and you are going to look bad. And don't take it personally, okay?

YB：我可以给你举个例子。你非常爱我，我要说，你不爱我，我不会显得丑陋，而你会显得难看。别往心里去，好吗？

Student: Okay.

学生：好。

YB: I have seen you somewhere do you know where?

YB：我在哪儿见过你，你知道在哪儿吗？

Student: Yeah.

学生：知道。

YB: Can you tell me.

YB：你能告诉我吗。

Student: Right here.

学生：就在这儿。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Yeah, that I know you will say because you do not want to share your past with me, is there some secret or something which you don't want to share?

YB：对，我就知道你会这么说，因为你不想跟我分享你的过去，是有什么秘密还是什么你不想分享的？

Student: I think you know it already.

学生：我想你已经知道了。

YB: Well, I think you are very defensive, you are putting on me and I know you do not want to know certain things but I will like to know things, which are in the past and which you know and I know. Can we share openly where did I meet you the first?

YB：嗯，我觉得你非常防备，你在把矛头推给我，我知道你不想去碰某些事，但我想知道那些过去的事，你知道的、我也知道的事。我们能不能敞开来说，我第一次是在哪儿遇见你的？

Student: Well, physically in Washington Tantric Course, nineteen seventy-two.

学生：嗯，肉身层面是在华盛顿谭崔课程，1972 年。

YB: Oh, were you doing something very inhuman those days?

YB：哦，那些日子你是不是在做一些很不人道的事？

Student: I don't know. In those days it didn't seem to be inhuman but they seem close to it now.

学生：我不知道。那时候看起来不算不人道，但现在看就有点接近了。

YB: All right, fifteen sentences have gone by, all I have done is created a doubt. Do you watch it?

YB：好，十五句话过去了，我所做的只是制造了一个怀疑。你看到了吗？

Student: Yes.

学生：看到了。

YB: Do you all watch it?

YB：你们都看到了吗？

Students: Yes.

学生们：看到了。

YB: First thing when you want to ruin somebody is create doubt about that person. First I am telling the negative communication so that you always know so that you can always be aware what is happening. Psychology of communication, first law is never say anything directly negative about a person but in communication create doubt. Create doubt called duality. Okay? Now second part is called challenge and indirectly challenge the situation or the personality. Indirectly challenge situation or... all right, that you can do. You have heard lot of slander about me; just make a little polish and go ahead.

YB：你想毁掉一个人的第一件事，就是让人们对那个人产生怀疑。我先讲负面的沟通方式，这样你就能一直知道，一直觉知到正在发生什么。沟通的心理学，第一条法则就是绝不要直接说一个人的负面话，而是在沟通中制造怀疑。制造怀疑，就叫二元对立。好吗？第二部分叫挑战，间接地挑战那个处境或那个人格。间接地挑战处境或……好吧，这个你可以做。你听过很多关于我的诽谤；稍微润色一下，就接着往下传吧。

Student: Oh boy! They say a lot of people who have been your students and it seems that many people have left these days in the last six months.

学生：天哪！他们说有很多人曾经是你的学生，看起来最近这六个月里很多人都离开了。

YB: Oh yeah I know that too.

YB：哦，是啊，这个我也知道。

Student: These were very intelligent people it seems that...

学生：这些人非常聪明，看起来……

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Some of them were PhDs and...

其中一些人是博士，而且……

YB: Yeah, thank God they left you know. Sometime intelligent... yeah they were intelligent, I miss them. But I am happy they have left because they will take their intelligence with them and go...

YB：是啊，感谢神他们离开了，你知道。有时候聪明……是啊，他们很聪明，我想念他们。但我很高兴他们离开了，因为他们会带着自己的聪明离开，然后去……

Student: They seem to be unhappy they have left also that they have very...

学生：他们看起来也不开心，他们离开了，而且他们非常……

YB: Oho, that's... they are feasting everyday. Some of them even have gained weight; I get good news about it. Oh they are happier than lot and they are having all kind of feast and they are every evening as a gala evening and they are dancing, drinking, enjoying everything in the world, sharing the most precious and trusted things called relationship... they are extremely in ecstasy, I know that. You are right. I am glad you have started learning about it.

YB：哦，那是……他们天天在盛宴。有些人甚至长胖了；我听到的都是好消息。哦，他们比很多人都更快乐，他们享用各种盛宴，每天晚上都像盛大的晚宴，他们跳舞、喝酒、享受世上的一切，分享着最珍贵、最被信任的东西，叫做关系……他们极其狂喜，我知道。你说得对。我很高兴你开始了解这件事了。

Student: Fair enough.

学生：行吧。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: No, I am just, I am rebutting, I am rebutting in, I am butting in and the negativity is my part of understanding that negative duality and the challenge and there are two ways of challenge one is to just rebut it out, outright and one is going politely around it, politely going around it makes you miserable and rebutting against you makes you strong. What is the choice? You understand? You rebut, if you rebut any negativity don't rebut it, but butt in, remember this law for a one... that's the secret. Butt in but never rebut. Because once you rebut you have to take the entire burden of it. But butt in, you can always win. I mean to say what makes the woman miserable? Rebuttal. That's not your cup of tea. And whenever you are going to rebut you are going to either have tears, you are going to blow over, you are going to be angry, you are going to be evincive, you are going to be rude, that's all we can do. Because that's not your thing. You understand? But if you butt in and put a humor with it, as I was doing it you are always safe and the person will not talk wrong and nobody will make any sense out of it either.

YB：不，我只是，我在反驳，我在插话，我在插话，而负面性是我理解那负面二元对立和挑战的一部分，挑战有两种方式，一种是直接反驳出去，另一种是礼貌地绕开它，礼貌地绕开它让你痛苦，反驳它让你强大。选择是什么？你明白吗？你反驳，如果你要反驳任何负面性，不要反驳它，而要插话，记住这条法则……这就是秘密。插话，但绝不反驳。因为一旦你反驳，你就得承担它的全部重担。但插话，你总能赢。我的意思是，是什么让女人痛苦？反驳。那不是你的菜。每当你打算反驳时，你要么会流泪，要么会爆发，要么会生气，要么会显得咄咄逼人，要么会变得粗鲁，我们能做的就这些。因为那不是你的东西。你明白吗？但如果你插话，并带点幽默，就像我刚才做的那样，你总是安全的，对方不会说错话，也没人能从中理出什么头绪。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

So when somebody challenges you, create duality because to do a duality for anger, for slander, for that is, its own death. Don't let it hit as a solid piece. Go ahead, say certain things.

所以当有人挑战你时，制造二元对立，因为为愤怒、为诽谤去做二元对立，那本身就是死亡。别让它像一块实心的东西砸过来。继续，说某些话。

Student: I have some friends who are... who they don't know (?) who they are, is that possible?

学生：我有一些朋友，他们……他们不知道自己（？）是谁，这可能吗？

YB: You have some friend?

YB：你有一些朋友？

Student: They wonder if you know who they are even would ever like to spend any time with them. People in 3HO and wonder if you are too busy perhaps.

学生：他们想知道你是否知道他们是谁，甚至是否愿意花点时间跟他们在一起。3HO 里的人会想，也许你太忙了。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Friends are friends. What is your definition of a friend?

YB：朋友就是朋友。你对朋友的定义是什么？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: That's a good question.

学生：这是个好问题。

YB: You have to see that I am cornered, in communication you have to see that I am cornered and I have to see that you fall flat but not hurt. Just remember that communication is so dangerous to the self in which you hurt somebody. That's the worst for you. Communication should be a communication in which under no circumstances the other person can feel hurt. Therefore if you are going to divide the person in the arc of duality you tear him apart, do everything but do it in such a humor that you always put a pad under. Go ahead talk. I can explain you one example, which happened to me in my life. As a anchor person, I am most experienced in TV to make somebody so miserable and nail people down to the extend that it's impossible to bypass my stinging nature. If I want to sting somebody on a TV show I don't think the world has a man of my caliber and I may not know the subject, that's the pity of it.

YB：你得看出来我被逼到墙角了，在沟通里你得看出来我被逼到墙角，而我得看出来你摔个四脚朝天但没受伤。只要记住，沟通对自我来说太危险了，因为你会伤到别人。那对你来说是最糟的。沟通应该是这样一种沟通：在任何情况下，对方都不会觉得受伤。所以，如果你要在二元对立的弧线里把人劈开，你会把他撕碎，什么都可以做，但要用一种幽默的方式去做，永远在下面垫一层软垫。继续说。我可以给你讲一个例子，是我人生中亲身经历的。作为一个主持人，我在电视上最有经验，能把人弄得那么惨，把人钉死到一种程度，让人根本绕不开我那种尖刻的本性。如果我想在电视节目上刺痛谁，我不觉得这世上有谁有我这样的本事，而我可能根本不懂那个话题，这才是可悲的地方。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

So just to test it out how good I am a TV station, where it was a Yogi Bhajan show and those days to get popularity and go through the shows was there was... there used to be time. There was a time when we used to have a time, remember those days? Funny days, right? Will never come back again but anyway... those days we had time we used to work this Yogi Bhajan Show and there is a gay center in Los Angeles, so they wanted to be interviewed and this station promised them to come by. Okay? And there was a man who was a professed gay, director of the gay center, Los Angeles, and there was one woman who called herself 'The Queen' or you call her lesbian or whatever that is. And I had to interview them half an hour and they didn't let me speak one word. Let me know how.

所以，就为了试试我到底有多行，有一家电视台，那时有个 Yogi Bhajan 节目，那些年要想出名、要上节目，是有……是有时间的。有那么一段时间，我们是有时间的，记得那些日子吗？好玩的日子，对吧？再也不会回来了，不过反正……那些日子我们有时间，我们做这个 Yogi Bhajan 节目，洛杉矶有一个同性恋中心，他们想接受采访，这家电视台答应让他们来。好吗？有一个男人，是公开的同性恋，洛杉矶同性恋中心的主任，还有一个女人，自称「女王」，或者你叫她女同性恋，随便叫什么。我得采访他们半个小时，他们一个字都不让我说。你告诉我怎么办。

Student: That's what... they told you what a great holy man...

学生：那就是……他们跟你说你是个多么伟大的圣人……

YB: No, no, they said, "Your eminence if there is any fault in us and you believe in God it's all Divine."

YB：不，不，他们说：「阁下，如果我们身上有什么错，而你又相信神，那一切都是神性的。」

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

And I talked about reproductivity and then they bring in the... it's the will of God, they bring in the scripture, you can't believe it, they hung me with your eminence so bad...

我谈到生育，然后他们搬出……这是神的意志，他们搬出经文，你简直不敢相信，他们用「阁下」把我缠得那么惨……

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

I am just explaining to you. They were extremely courteous, absolutely fluent, and totally confusing. And that's an art of communication. You should be totally courteous, learn these three things. You should be totally?

我只是在跟你们解释。他们极其有礼，绝对流利，而且完全让人糊涂。这就是沟通的艺术。你应该极其有礼，学会这三件事。你应该极其？

Students: Courteous.

学生：有礼。

YB: Extremely firm, you should know what you are saying. Your courtesy should not look like surface. It should be with absolute training and etiquettes, and you should absolutely be confusing to another person. If you cannot confuse a interrogation you have already lost the case. Remember this. Yeah?

YB：要极其坚定，你得清楚自己在说什么。你的礼貌不该是表面的。它应该来自彻底的训练和礼仪，而且你应该让对方完全摸不着头脑。如果你没法让一场盘问的人糊涂，你就已经输了这场官司。记住这一点。对吧？

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: Say it. You say it. You say anything I'll confuse you. Make any statement, doesn't matter.

YB：说出来。你说。你说什么我都能把你绕糊涂。随便说一句，没关系。

Student: How come you don't believe that boys should be circumcised?

学生：你怎么会不相信男孩应该行割礼呢？

YB: How can we not believe that boy should be circumcised? What is there to believe?

YB：我们怎么会不相信男孩应该行割礼？这有什么好相信的？

Student: Because it's done (?).

学生：因为这是（？）做的。

YB: It has been done for many years, it can continue for any reason, what is there to believe? You want to believe, I mean circumcision is not something worth believing.

YB：它已经做了很多年了，它可以因为任何理由继续做下去，这有什么好相信的？你想相信，我的意思是，割礼不是什么值得相信的事。

Student: (-----)

学生：（-----）

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Oh your mother said it so, your father said it so, I mean to say everybody will say it so but what is there to believe? You want to believe that boy should be circumcised? Ask the boy, why the mother...then circumcise the mother!

YB：哦，你妈这么说，你爸这么说，我的意思是，每个人都会这么说，但这有什么好相信的？你想相信男孩应该行割礼？去问那个男孩，为什么是妈妈……那就给妈妈行割礼！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Got it?

明白了吗？

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: Don't offend people with whom you communicate, doesn't matter how neurotic they are. Confuse them. There are two things you should do, the communication, which you don't like, don't make it a fight, confuse and defuse people and their personalities. Now we are learning not the spiritual ethics and morals, we are learning the psychology of communication, you understand? Ethics and moral are man-made laws and man made them wonderful and they are high as they are perfect. But if you cannot confuse and defuse a person in communication, then you will end up fighting and that is not ahimsa, ahimsa is not to pick up a fight to hurt. And communication is the worst hurt; it's more than a sword, more than a knife, and more than anything. Okay anybody else? Okay come in. With you! Yeah, (?) you put, yeah, what are you afraid of? Don't take much time walk in quick to the mike. We said we run the workshop, let us live to it, let us all participate, let us have a joy of it. Okay? Go ahead.

YB：不要冒犯和你交流的人，不管他们有多神经质。把他们绕糊涂。有两件事你该做，那些你不喜欢的交流，不要把它变成一场争斗，把人以及他们的人格绕糊涂、化解掉。现在我们学的不是灵性伦理和道德，我们学的是交流的心理学，你明白吗？伦理和道德是人造的法律，人造得它们很美妙，它们很高，因为它们很完美。但如果你在交流中没法把一个人绕糊涂、化解掉，那你最后就会打起来，那就不是 ahimsa，ahimsa 不是挑起争斗去伤害人。而交流是最严重的伤害；它比剑还厉害，比刀还厉害，比什么都厉害。好，还有别人吗？好，进来。到你了！对，（？）你上来，对，你怕什么？别花太多时间，快点走到麦克风前。我们说过我们在办这个工作坊，就让我们说到做到，让我们都参与进来，让我们享受其中。好吗？继续。

Student: Am I supposed to slander you that... what you still want me to do?

学生：我是不是该诽谤你，说……你到底还想让我做什么？

YB: What she said?

YB：她说什么？

Students: (-----)

学生们：（-----）

YB: Say anything, whether you want to praise me or you want to slander me or you want to appreciate me or you want to communicate with me, we are two people meeting for the first time right now here and it's Street 505, Southwest, Santa Fe... whatever.

YB：随便说什么，不管你是想赞美我，还是想诽谤我，还是想欣赏我，还是想跟我交流，我们现在就是两个第一次在这里见面的人，这里是西南区 505 街，圣塔菲……随便什么。

Student: I recognize you from some place sir; don't you teach Yoga classes and help students here in United States?

学生：先生，我在哪儿见过您；您不是在美国这里教瑜伽课、帮助学生吗？

YB: You are very sweet but you are very fast.

YB：你很可爱，但你太急了。

Student: Okay.

学生：好吧。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: I would be interested in taking Yoga classes from you sir. Can you tell me where you teach?

学生：先生，我很想跟您上瑜伽课。您能告诉我您在哪儿教吗？

YB: You are interested in Yoga? Is that true?

YB：你对瑜伽感兴趣？真的吗？

Student: Yeah, I heard that you teach Yoga classes. Isn't that right?

学生：是啊，我听说您教瑜伽课。不是吗？

YB: Oh yeah, that seems to be right. Why you want to learn Yoga from me?

YB：哦，是啊，好像是这样的。你为什么想跟我学瑜伽？

Student: Well, I heard that you help people very much through Yoga classes and I would be interested in learning from you.

学生：嗯，我听说您通过瑜伽课帮了很多人，我很想跟您学。

YB: You want to really learn Yoga?

YB：你真的想学瑜伽？

Student: Can you teach me Yoga?

学生：您能教我瑜伽吗？

YB: Well, if I get a chance I'll but question is what makes you to motivate towards that end?

YB：嗯，如果有机会我会教，但问题是，是什么让你朝这个方向走？

Student: Do you think I have the capability of learning from you?

学生：您觉得我有能力跟您学吗？

YB: Well, I don't know, capability is always with people and you are one of the people.

YB：嗯，我不知道，能力总是在人身上，而你就是人之一。

Student: But you know so much that I thought you might be able to see that I have that capability.

学生：但您懂得那么多，我以为您能看出我有这个能力。

YB: I can't even see you dear girl, I only look at auras. I... that's the only misunderstanding people are having about me I am kind of blind... born blind...

YB：我连你都看不见，亲爱的姑娘，我只看能量圈。我……人们对我唯一的误解就是这个，我算是盲人……天生就盲……

Student: Well, you should be able to see me even more clear that way...

学生：嗯，那样的话您应该能把我看得更清楚……

YB: Do you really feel I am that good?

YB：你真的觉得我那么好？

Student: Yes sir... I have heard that you are.

学生：是的，先生……我听说您是的。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Then let me tell you one first lesson in Yoga. Don't trust anyone but your own consciousness. Work it on it until we meet again.

YB：那我告诉你瑜伽的第一课。不要相信任何人，只相信你自己的意识。在这上面下功夫，直到我们再见面。

Student: Yes sir. Am I finished sir?

学生：是的，先生。先生，我说完了吗？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Is it not the brightest way to cut the conversation without any offense?

YB：这不是结束对话最漂亮的方式吗，还不得罪人？

Students: Yeah.

学生们：是啊。

YB: Next? Come in. All I am trying to tell you if you just understand consciously communication is the highest art and don't be extempore without watching it through conscious mind. Just don't communicate without conscious mind. Just don't. It will create trouble to you and to the other person. Yes?

YB：下一位？进来。我想告诉你们的是，如果你能真正明白，有意识的沟通是最高的艺术，不要不经过有意识的心智就即兴说话。不要不经过有意识的心智就沟通。就是不要。它会给你和对方都带来麻烦。是吗？

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: Because you may not... you may not end up with blue face and insulting words and your reputation may not be "You are a bitch" and all that nonsense, which a woman is alleged to because the fact is once you talk emotionally or with anger, you do not have the conscious background with it and you don't supervise the communication and then those communications create lot of fuss, which I am sick and tired of having woman to go through that suffering. Naturally I didn't do PhD to just sell oranges; I did my PhD in psychology of communication that one day I am going to teach you how to communicate, period. And I am going to use this whole week for that technique to teach you the art of communication or today in the workshop I am telling you experimenting it so that you may know about it that there is some other way to talk also.

YB：因为你可能不会……你可能不会最后落得一张蓝脸、满口伤人的话，你的名声也不会变成「你是个泼妇」那一套胡说八道，而女人却总被说成那样，因为事实是，一旦你带着情绪或愤怒说话，你就没有那份有觉知的背景，你也不去监督这场交流，然后那些交流就制造出一大堆麻烦，我实在受够了让女人去经历那种痛苦。当然，我读博士不是为了卖橘子；我读的是交流心理学的博士，就是为了有一天我要教你们怎么交流，就这样。我要用这一整周来讲那套技巧，教你们交流的艺术，或者今天在研讨会上我就告诉你们，我在实验它，好让你们能知道，原来还有别的说话方式。

People are sent to the diplomatic school for about five years to learn how to talk diplomatically and they end up as a mess. But I think basic psychology of communication is that do not create offensive attitude in the other people and in you and still you can communicate. Not to talk cheap, not to talk deep. Talk just to communicate. Deep talking is sometime very dangerous and they bring lot of pain to people and cheap talking is waste of time. So we must communicate to communicate. Go ahead. I'll be with you, yeah.

人们被送进外交学校学大约五年，学怎么有外交手腕地说话，结果出来还是一团糟。但我认为交流的基本心理学是：不要在别人心里、也不要在你自己心里制造对抗的态度，而你仍然能交流。不要说得廉价，也不要说得深奥。说话就只是为了交流。说得深奥有时非常危险，会给人们带来很多痛苦，而说得廉价是浪费时间。所以我们必须为了交流而交流。继续吧。我会陪着你，好。

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: No, conversation is always schedule and it is always reasonably sincere. What is sincere and what is not sincere is just a judgment, you can't pass judgment. Art of communication is to communicate. Sincere and insincere, ethical, moral, personal, impersonal, deep, cheap, all that are the facets. But communication is an art in which offense should be eliminated. Both ways. To offend somebody and to get offended. The impact of communication is either you get offended or you end up offending. And that is the greatest human tragedy. Lack of communication. Don't we... oh communication failed. Between the (?) somebody maybe dead. What we are trying to organize now to just let us have the art of communication so that we can talk, we can know, we can feel, we can understand. Go ahead.

YB：不，对话总是有安排的，而且总是相当真诚。什么是真诚、什么是不真诚，那只是一个判断，你不能下判断。交流的艺术就是去交流。真诚与不真诚、合乎伦理、合乎道德、个人的、非个人的、深奥的、廉价的，所有这些都是刻面。但交流是一门艺术，在其中冒犯应当被消除。两个方向都要。冒犯别人，以及被别人冒犯。交流的影响要么是你被冒犯，要么是你最后冒犯了别人。而那是人类最大的悲剧。缺乏交流。我们不是……哦，交流失败了。在（？）之间，也许有人死了。我们现在想组织起来的，就是让我们拥有交流的艺术，这样我们能说话，我们能知道，我们能感受，我们能理解。继续吧。

Student: Could you give some suggestion sir on how to best direct an ashram?

学生：先生，您能给些建议，说说怎样才能最好地带领一个灵修社区吗？

YB: Yeah.

YB：好。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: Could you share some ideas with us?

学生：您能跟我们分享一些想法吗？

YB: Nothing much to share, simply help people to elevate them, serve them to elevate them. Serve them to serve them.

YB：没什么太多可分享的，就是帮助人们提升他们，服务他们以提升他们。服务他们就是为了服务他们。

Student: What are some ways in which we can serve?

学生：我们能用哪些方式去服务？

YB: Whatever they want.

YB：他们想要什么就给他们什么。

Student: Whatever the students want or the people in the ashram want?

学生：是学生想要什么，还是灵修社区里的人想要什么？

YB: Whatever student wants to be served with, serve them but just understand you have to serve them the truth. Dish it out!

YB：学生想要被怎样服务，就怎样服务他们，但你要明白，你必须把真相服务给他们。端上去！

Student: And if they are not cooperative?

学生：那如果他们不配合呢？

YB: They should not. How many people cooperate with the truth? When did you hear that everybody cooperates with the truth? People don't cooperate with truth at all. Why are you seeking cooperation?

YB：他们本来就不该配合。有多少人会配合真相？你什么时候听说过人人都配合真相？人根本不配合真相。你为什么还要去求配合？

Student: I guess because it makes that easier.

学生：我想是因为那样会容易一些。

YB: It becomes business. You serve them and they cooperate with you. It's business. Service, which is a business is a profit and loss. That's not the ashram. Ashram is to serve them to just serve them.

YB：那就变成生意了。你服务他们，他们配合你。那是生意。服务一旦成了生意，就是赚与赔。那不是灵修社区。灵修社区就是服务他们，只是服务他们。

Student: Thank you.

学生：谢谢。

YB: That's all?

YB：就这些？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Okay, next? Come in. Aah now it's a fun!

好，下一个？进来。啊，现在有意思了！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Okay.

YB：好。

Student: I have heard you people like to send your children away on the other side of the world.

学生：我听说你们这些人喜欢把孩子送到世界的另一边去。

YB: Oh yeah! You mean other side of the world beyond the Earth or within the Earth?

YB：哦，是吗！你说的是地球之外的另一边，还是地球里面的另一边？

Student: No, specifically I have heard that you send all your children away to India.

学生：不是，我是专门听说你们把所有孩子都送到印度去。

YB: Oh when did you hear that?

YB：哦，你什么时候听说的？

Student: Oh I have just... I have been around the ashram and I have seen people they tell me that their children are gone...

学生：哦，我只是……我在灵修社区附近待过，我见过一些人，他们告诉我他们的孩子走了……

YB: Gone!

YB：走了！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

And did they tell you why they are gone?

那他们有没有告诉你，为什么走了？

Student: Well, I asked them if they miss them?

学生：嗯，我问过他们想不想孩子？

YB: No, no, no, wait a minute.

YB：不，不，不，等一下。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Wait a minute, wait a minute. First you heard that children are gone. Don't we agree to that?

等一下，等一下。你先听说孩子们走了。这一点我们同意吧？

Student: Yes.

学生：同意。

YB: And did you hear why they are gone?

YB：那你有没有听说他们为什么走了？

Student: No, can you tell me why they are gone?

学生：没有，你能告诉我他们为什么走了吗？

YB: Oh no, ask them!

YB：哦，不，去问他们！

Student: Well, I wanted to ask you because...

学生：嗯，我想问你，是因为……

YB: I am not gone, I am not a child.

YB：我没走，我也不是孩子。

Student: Well, I can't afford the airplane ticket to ask them children so I thought I would...

学生：嗯，我买不起机票去问那些孩子，所以我想……

YB: No, no, ask the parents from where you heard.

YB：不，不，去问你听到这件事的那些父母。

Student: Well, they got the idea from you, so I wanted to ask you.

学生：嗯，他们是从你这里得到这个想法的，所以我想问你。

YB: They got the idea from me?

YB：他们是从我这里得到这个想法的？

Student: Yes.

学生：是的。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: What was the idea?

YB：什么想法？

Student: To send the children away.

学生：把孩子送走。

YB: No, we didn't send them away. Children are very much with us.

YB：不，我们没有把他们送走。孩子们非常跟我们在一起。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

No, no, my dear sweet lady please for God's sake our children are with us very much everyday, every minute of the breath. We love them, we have them, we are very good parents.

不，不，我亲爱的甜心女士，看在神的份上，我们的孩子每天都跟我们在一起，每一次呼吸的每一分钟都在一起。我们爱他们，我们拥有他们，我们是非常好的父母。

Student: Well, I just think that this is such a great country that I just don't understand why you want to send them where everyone is poor?

学生：嗯，我只是觉得这个国家这么好，我就是不明白，你们为什么要把他们送到人人都穷的地方去？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Our children are with us, they are very rich, they are in a very beautiful environments and they are very rich and they are very great Americans. But I don't think people should not have the right to visit. They are just great Americans have the right to visit, don't they?

YB：我们的孩子和我们在一起，他们很富有，他们处在非常美好的环境里，他们很富有，他们是很了不起的美国人。但我不认为人们就不该有去探望的权利。他们是很了不起的美国人，就有权利去探望，不是吗？

Student: They do but... but I think they are going to get brainwashed.

学生：他们有这个权利，但……但我觉得他们会被洗脑。

YB: Oh thank God, with what?

YB：哦，感谢神，被什么洗脑？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

With soap or with... brainwashed with what?

用肥皂洗，还是用……被什么洗脑？

Student: You know brainwashed where they won't have the same American values as great people in this country.

学生：你知道，就是被洗脑到他们不再拥有这个国家里那些了不起的人所拥有的美国价值观。

YB: Oh yeah? And people get brainwashed here? In America is there is a place for brainwashing here?

YB：哦，是吗？这里的人会被洗脑吗？在美国，这里有洗脑的地方吗？

Student: No, we are a free country.

学生：没有，我们是个自由的国家。

YB: That's what it is. They are free children, nobody can brainwash them.

YB：就是这样。他们是自由的孩子，没人能给他们洗脑。

Student: But did they really want to go?

学生：但他们真的想去吗？

YB: That it seems to be a situation of reality but do you really think they have gone?

YB：这看起来像是个现实的情况，但你真的觉得他们走了吗？

Student: They seem to be gone!

学生：他们看起来是走了！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Well, basically you can live with your misunderstanding and please understand our children neither are gone nor they are gone to be brainwashed nor they are gone away from us and the basic idea is that we wanted them to be grown as great people, they wanted to be experienced, they want to run around, they want to see the whole world and they are just here.

YB：好吧，基本上你可以带着你的误解过日子，但请明白，我们的孩子既没有走，也不是去被洗脑，也不是离开了我们，根本的想法是，我们想让他们成长为了不起的人，他们想去体验，想四处跑，想看看整个世界，而他们就在这里。

Student: Okay, you can have your feelings and I mine.

学生：好吧，你可以有你的感受，我有我的。

YB: That is true! And perhaps one day as a mother you will like to request me to send your child on the world trip too.

YB：这是真的！也许有一天，作为母亲，你会想请求我，也把你的孩子送去环球旅行。

Student: Oh no, I would miss them too much. I... they need me!

学生：哦不，我会太想他们的。我……他们需要我！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Well, you must understand some people are like kangaroos.

YB：好吧，你必须明白，有些人就像袋鼠。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

And they keep their children with their belly bag and some people want to give them values that they can grow and be strong and walk their own foundation and feel themself and I think that's what America is about. But I never knew in America lot of kangaroos have taken birth in human bodies. I am pretty confused.

他们把孩子留在自己的肚袋里，而有些人想给孩子价值观，让他们能成长、变强壮、走自己的路、站稳自己的根基、感受自己，我觉得这就是美国的意义。但我从不知道在美国有这么多袋鼠投生成了人身。我相当困惑。

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: You said something I didn't hear.

YB：你说了什么，我没听见。

Student: Oh, it was insulting to me that you were saying I was like a kangaroo because I...

学生：哦，你说我像袋鼠，这对我是一种侮辱，因为我……

YB: I didn't say my God... please lady I said some people are like kangaroos. I am (?) please that's not the idea, you are not kangaroo, I mean you are not... I can see you are a beautiful lady!

YB：我没说，我的天……女士，请听我说，我说的是有些人像袋鼠。我（？）请别这么想，这不是那个意思，你不是袋鼠，我是说你不是……我能看出你是位美丽的女士！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Oh you know what I mean is some people are like kangaroos. They feel that they have to have a belly bag and keep the kid in that and run around and...

哦，你知道我的意思是，有些人就像袋鼠。他们觉得自己必须有个肚袋，把孩子放在里面，然后四处跑……

Student: Well, that's the natural way to keep your children with you, God created a (?) children.

学生：嗯，那是让孩子留在你身边的自然方式，神创造了（？）孩子。

YB: My basic idea is why to deliver them after nine months, why not deliver after six years? It's a matter of thought you know, it's a matter of feeling... my personal feeling is a child is born in the grace of God and has the domain and has the destiny and has to walk and has to be and all as parents we can do and keep him in the love and keep him in the bondage of our own love and affection and vibration and keep them wherever they are, they are within the reach of our prayer and they are within reach of our projection we are very beautiful people. But we are not kangaroos. We are not. We want our children to see the whole planet. We want the children to rule the planet; we want them wherever they go they spread the light. They are the most innocent angels of God. We don't want to take away their right. They are all over the world. I think somebody might have tried to listen from you.

YB：我的基本想法是，为什么要在九个月后把他们生下来，为什么不在六年之后再生？这是个念头的问题，你知道，这是个感觉的问题……我个人的感觉是，孩子是在神的优雅中出生的，他有自己的领域，有自己的天命，必须去走，必须去成为，而作为父母我们能做的，就是让他活在爱里，让他活在我们自己的爱、情感和振动的联结里，无论他们在哪里，他们都在我们祈祷所及之处，都在我们投射所及之处，我们是非常美好的人。但我们不是袋鼠。我们不是。我们要让孩子看到整个星球。我们要让孩子统治这个星球；我们要让他们无论走到哪里，都散播光芒。他们是神最纯真的天使。我们不想夺走他们的权利。他们遍布全世界。我想可能有人试着从你那里聆听过。

Student: Thank you for enlightening me.

学生：谢谢您点醒我。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

(Students clap)

（学生们鼓掌）

YB: Come on, come on it is your day. Take any subject, don't worry. Communication is an art; there is no reality in communication any way.

YB：来吧，来吧，今天是你的日子。随便挑个话题，别担心。沟通是一门艺术；反正沟通里没有什么真实可言。

Student: Sat Nam sir. I would like to talk to you about your weight.

学生：Sat Nam，先生。我想跟您谈谈您的体重。

YB: Oh sure!

YB：哦，当然！

Student: Pardon me?

学生：抱歉，您说什么？

YB: This morning my weight was two hundred and thirty-three pounds.

YB：今天早上我的体重是 233 磅。

Student: Hmm... how tall are you?

学生：嗯……您多高？

YB: I am six foot two inches.

YB：我 6 英尺 2 英寸。

Student: I think around the belly...

学生：我觉得肚子那一圈……

YB: I am thirty-three inches... thirty-three pounds overweight.

YB：我是 33 英寸……超重 33 磅。

Student: Yes, how can... I would like to put you on a program. (?) mind your diet and get smart exercises for you.

学生：是的，怎么能……我想给您定一个方案。（？）注意您的饮食，给您安排些聪明的练习。

YB: Oh for that you have not to bother, you have to call Dr. Soram, he is my medical doctor, talk to him, he is really investigating in things that you can really help...

YB：哦，那个你不用操心，你得打电话给 Soram 医生，他是我的医生，跟他谈，他真的在研究一些能真正帮上忙的东西……

Student: But that doesn't matter because if you don't have the commitment to do it doesn't matter what Dr. Soram says.

学生：但那不重要，因为如果你没有承诺去做，Soram 医生说什么都不重要。

YB: My commitment is within me and plus the help of my doctor, that's a fact.

YB：我的承诺在我里面，再加上我医生的帮助，这是事实。

Student: But he is an excuse at this point. You need to just lose the weight.

学生：但此刻他是个借口。你只需要把体重减下来。

YB: No, no, it is a reality.

YB：不，不，这是现实。

Student: Pardon me?

学生：抱歉，您说什么？

YB: It's just reality; I am very serious about it.

YB：这就是现实；我对这件事非常认真。

Student: Then why haven't you lost the weight? I think you should get to another doctor or...

学生：那你为什么还没减下来？我觉得你该换个医生，或者……

YB: Basically what I want to explain to you... this is a fact that I have been to another doctor too.

YB：基本上我想跟你解释的是……事实是我还看过另一个医生。

Student: Oh yeah, who is that?

学生：哦是吗，那是谁？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: Which doctor is that?

学生：那是哪个医生？

YB: And I am also... I am also met a third doctor also these days.

YB：而且我这些天还……我还见了第三位医生。

Student: And they don't seem to make any difference. I think you should entrust yourself to me.

学生：可他们好像都没什么用。我觉得你该把自己交给我。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: The best fact of the situation is that I am just working it out; it is not my weight, which is in trouble...

YB：这情况最好的一点是，我正把它弄明白；出问题的不是我的体重……

Student: Oh what is in trouble?

学生：哦，那出问题的是什么？

YB: It is the jetlag!

YB：是时差！

Student: The jetlag! Well, see, we can take care of that.

学生：时差！你看，这个我们能搞定。

YB: How?

YB：怎么搞？

Student: Through your diet and exercising... I think you probably said a lot about it you could do more things on the plane, isometric type exercises to lose weight.

学生：靠你的饮食和锻炼……我想你大概说过很多，你可以在飞机上多做些事，做等长收缩那类练习来减重。

YB: Well, you are absolutely right.

YB：嗯，你说得完全对。

Student: Yeah, so when could we... do you want to discuss now how we are going to do that?

学生：对，那我们什么时候能……你想现在就讨论我们该怎么做吗？

YB: It is absolutely up to you. I am just... any good suggestion will be so wonderful.

YB：这完全由你决定。我只是……任何好建议都会很棒。

Student: Okay well I have...

学生：好，那我有……

YB: You mean I should start flying on the magic carpet?

YB：你是说我该开始坐魔毯飞？

Student: No, I think you should fly in the planet but I think that you should get some weight, ankle weight and free weights to work on to lose the weight.

学生：不，我觉得你该坐飞机，不过我觉得你该弄些负重，脚踝负重和自由重量来练，把体重减下去。

YB: You mean put two pounds on the ankle to walk?

YB：你是说在脚踝上绑 2 磅走路？

Student: And do hundred and eight leg raise, hundred and eight...

学生：再做 108 个抬腿，108 个……

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: To be very honest with you this morning I did five more than the hundred and eight.

YB：跟你说实话，今天早上我比 108 个还多做了 5 个。

Student: Five more? I think you should do three sets of a hundred and eight. You have to let that muscle burn.

学生：多 5 个？我觉得你该做 3 组 108 个。你得让那块肌肉烧起来。

YB: You mean to say I was one hour late I should have been two hours late?

YB：你是说，我迟了 1 个小时，我本该迟 2 个小时？

Student: No, you should keep your responsibilities but you have to be creative, when you are counseling people and things you do here.

学生：不，你该守住你的责任，但你得有创意，在你给人做咨询、在这里做那些事的时候。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: You mean to say when I counsel people I should stop doing...

YB：你是说，我给人做咨询的时候，该停下正在做的……

Student: Exactly. Healthy and fast, that you need to do.

学生：没错。健康又快速，那是你需要的。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: That is a fantastic idea.

YB：这主意太棒了。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

That I'll be extremely impressive. I do my up and then down and then start talking?

那我会特别让人印象深刻。我做一个起身，再一个下蹲，然后开始讲话？

Student: Yes. Yeah, and as you gain your stamina you will be able to talk without any problem...

学生：对。是啊，等你耐力上来了，你就能毫无问题地讲话……

YB: Well, that is... that will take care of all the counseling I can assure nobody will ever come to get counseled. And you want to give me a title of a jumping Yogi?

YB：嗯，那……那会把我所有的咨询都解决了，我保证再也不会有人来找我做咨询。你还想给我一个「蹦跳瑜伽士」的头衔？

Student: No, not at all. I just think that it would help your image a lot if you would streamline your physique a little bit.

学生：不，一点也不想。我只是觉得，如果你把体格练得精瘦一点，会对你的形象大有帮助。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: You mean I should get to be skinny?

YB：你是说我该变得瘦巴巴的？

Student: No, lean and mean!

学生：不，是精瘦又狠！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: What she said?

YB：她说什么？

Students: Lean and mean.

学生们：精瘦又狠。

YB: Lean and mean! That's very affectionate. Lean and Mean! Like that of a meat?

YB：精瘦又狠！这真亲切。精瘦又狠！像块肉那样？

Student: No, not like meat.

学生：不，不是像肉那样。

YB: Like a avocado?

YB：像牛油果那样？

Student: Yeah, lean and mean like an avocado. Without the pit!

学生：对，像牛油果那样精瘦又厉害。不要核！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

YB: Really you are very suggestive and your understanding is very affectionate.

YB：你真的很容易被暗示，而你的理解非常深情。

Student: I have your best (?).

学生：我有你最好的（？）。

YB: Oh I know, I know. I know. I will do my best to carry your best interest, I agree hundred percent. Very sweet of you!

YB：哦我知道，我知道。我知道。我会尽力维护你的最佳利益，我百分之百同意。你真是太贴心了！

Student: Thank you.

学生：谢谢。

YB: Keep talking dummy!

YB：继续说吧，笨蛋！

Student: Keep talking dummy? Okay.

学生：继续说吧，笨蛋？好。

YB: You did so well... you should not come to thank you, you should try...

YB：你做得这么好……你不该来道谢，你该试着……

Student: Well, I appreciate the compliment because I know that I have lot of talked to you.

学生：嗯，我很感激这句夸奖，因为我知道我跟你说过很多话。

YB: That is the other way to shut you up.

YB：那是让你闭嘴的另一种办法。

Student: I think that I am still talking. But I would like to set up a schedule and six days a week exercising and Sundays you can have off.

学生：我觉得我还在说话。不过我想定个时间表，一周六天锻炼，星期天你可以休息。

YB: I basically will agree to that in the sense you know I have a secretary and if you train her into it, it will be a great communication and I shall be personally very grateful.

YB：我基本上会同意，因为你知道我有位秘书，如果你把她训练进来，那会是很棒的沟通，我个人会非常感激。

Student: Oh she is not the point, you are. I don't think I need any go between.

学生：哦，她不是重点，你才是。我觉得我不需要任何中间人。

YB: No, no, it is not a question of going in between but it is a question of she will keep the record. I mean she is also...

YB：不，不，这不是中间人的问题，而是她会做记录的问题。我是说她也……

Student: Have your weight and measurements?

学生：记录你的体重和尺寸？

YB: Weight and measurements and then run all that program you are running and the best thing will be to convince her you can put her on that program she can have that perfect personal experience.

YB：体重和尺寸，然后把你正在跑的那整套计划都跑起来，最好的是说服她，你可以把她放进那个计划里，让她有那种完美的个人体验。

Student: I would like to know how long (?) before we take the thirty-three pounds...

学生：我想知道要多久（？）我们才拿下那三十三磅……

YB: Oh till my death, I don't mind!

YB：哦，到我死吧，我不介意！

Student: But that's too long I mean you...

学生：但那太久了，我是说你……

YB: Or I'll take the moment I see my secretary getting skinny...

YB：或者我一看到我秘书变瘦就拿下。

Student: She wants to see you getting skinny; you are going to inspire her.

学生：她想看到你变瘦；你会激励她的。

YB: Let us not get into the Catch 22... the fact is that if you can get her to be skinny...

YB：我们别陷进第22条军规……事实是，如果你能让她变瘦……

Student: But you are trying to change that...

学生：但你在试图改变那个……

YB: No, no, I am along with you I am not... no, there is no difference of opinion at all. Problem is the secretary.

YB：不，不，我跟你一边，我不是……不，完全没有意见分歧。问题在秘书。

Student: The problem is with you... it's all...

学生：问题在你……全是……

YB: No, no, I definitely agree with you as far as I am concerned I want to be lean and mean and green and all that...

YB：不，不，就我而言我绝对同意你，我想变得精瘦、厉害、绿油油，诸如此类……

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

And I'll be just talking, sitting, standing, jumping, whatever you want, but if you can give her a little experience that way then all the time she will be just an inspiration.

我就只是说话、坐着、站着、跳着，你想怎样都行，但如果你能用那种方式给她一点体验，那她就会一直是一种激励。

Student: I think your staff generally looks very good.

学生：我觉得你的员工总体看起来都很好。

YB: They are?

YB：是吗？

Student: Yeah, they look pretty healthy.

学生：是啊，他们看起来相当健康。

YB: I am the only one who looks bad?

YB：只有我一个人看起来糟糕？

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: That thirty-three pounds.

学生：那三十三磅。

YB: I think you have to change your opinion little bit.

YB：我觉得你得稍微改改你的看法。

Student: In what way?

学生：怎么改？

YB: I think I do not look very good but I don't look very bad either.

YB：我觉得我看起来不算很好，但也不算太糟。

Student: No, you don't look bad, you have a good stout physique but I do think that there is some way.

学生：不，你看起来不糟，你体格结实健壮，不过我确实觉得有办法。

YB: Oh how you know I have a stout physique?

YB：哦，你怎么知道我体格结实健壮？

Student: Well, because I can see.

学生：因为我看得见啊。

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: I have been trained to see that kind of thing.

学生：我受过训练，看得出这种事。

YB: Is that true?

YB：真的吗？

Student: Yes, it's very true.

学生：是的，千真万确。

YB: So what you intend to employ that if I lose all the weight I have to lose and I do what I have to do, in which way you can help me?

YB：那你打算怎么用这个本事——如果我把该减的体重都减掉，该做的都做到，你能怎么帮我？

Student: The way you will be helped is you sleep better; you will have more energy...

学生：帮你的方式是你会睡得更好，你会更有能量……

YB: Oh I sleep well, I sleep well, there is no problem with my sleeping, with my eating, with my traveling.

YB：哦，我睡得好，我睡得好，我的睡眠没问题，吃饭没问题，旅行也没问题。

Student: There is no problem...

学生：那没问题……

YB: No, no, problem is my problem is I need somebody trained to remind me all the time.

YB：不，不，问题是我的问题是我需要一个受过训练的人时时刻刻提醒我。

Student: I'll be happy to do that for you.

学生：我很乐意为你做这件事。

YB: Oh (?) you know Sat Simran?

YB：哦（？）你认识 Sat Simran 吗？

Student: Yes I do.

学生：认识。

YB: Get on her.

YB：去盯住她。

Student: Get on her about what?

学生：盯住她什么？

YB: Training her.

YB：训练她。

Student: Training her to do what?

学生：训练她做什么？

YB: To keep me reminding, inspiring me and just if she loses thirty pounds I'll lose fifty.

YB：让她一直提醒我、激励我，只要她减掉三十磅，我就减掉五十磅。

Student: I'll be happy to train her sir.

学生：我很乐意训练她，先生。

YB: Thank you.

YB：谢谢你。

Student: Thank you, Sat Nam.

学生：谢谢你，Sat Nam。

YB: Again you have stopped!

YB：你又停下来了！

(Students laugh)

（学生们笑）

Student: Well, I (?) just say I am satisfied. We are going to get the (?)...

学生：嗯，我（？）就说我满意了。我们要拿到那个（？）……

YB: Without offending people you can satisfy them in shortest possible time but the greatest mistake is don't make them go satisfied in a small phase if they want to take a long phase. There are three ways... okay thank you.

YB：在不冒犯人的前提下，你可以用最短的时间让他们满意，但最大的错误是——如果他们想走长线，别让他们在小阶段就满足了。有三种方式……好，谢谢你。

Student: Thank you.

学生：谢谢你。

YB: There are three ways of communication, short phase, long phase and the medium phase. Short phase, long phase and the?

YB：沟通有三种方式，短阶段、长阶段和中间阶段。短阶段、长阶段，还有？

Students: Medium phase.

学生们：中间阶段。

YB: So if a person wants to go with you on a medium phase you will put them on a long phase it means boring communication. If person wants to go on a medium phase and you want to put him in short phase it means cutting, interrupting the communication. If a person wants to be on a long phase and you want to really put on a short phase it means forget it. So you have to totally gear from the flow of the communication at what phase the other person is and act accordingly. You might be thinking communication or talking was the only subject we were expert in and now it has become a difficult job, haa? That's not true. Communication is the highest power God has given you, it is the strongest weapon you have. Yes my dear?

YB：所以，如果一个人想用中速跟你交流，你却把他放到长速上，那意味着无聊的沟通。如果一个人想用中速，你却想把他放到短速上，那意味着切断、打断沟通。如果一个人想用长速，你却真想把他放到短速上，那意味着算了。所以你必须完全跟上沟通的流动，看清对方处在哪个速度，然后相应地行动。你可能在想，沟通或说话本来是我们唯一擅长的领域，现在却变成了一件难事，哈？不是这样的。沟通是神给你的最高力量，是你拥有的最强武器。是的，我亲爱的？

Student: Could you please give me your definition of communication when you say... when you speak a communication...

学生：你能不能给我你对沟通的定义，当你说……当你说一种沟通……

YB: Between two people whatever is exchanged is communication.

YB：两个人之间交换的一切都是沟通。

Student: Anything...

学生：任何东西……

YB: Anything. Communication is based on everything. It's a body language, it's a personal language, it's a sign language, it's a circumstantial language, it's a environmental language, anything. Between two people there is only one link it's called communication. Two or many. Do you understand that?

YB：任何东西。沟通建立在一切之上。它是身体语言，是个人语言，是符号语言，是情境语言，是环境语言，任何东西。两个人之间只有一条连接，它叫沟通。两个或很多人之间也是。你明白吗？

Student: I hear what you are saying (?).

学生：我听到你在说什么（？）。

YB: Then where is the difficulty?

YB：那困难在哪里？

Student: (?) different levels of communication.

学生：（？）不同层次的沟通。

YB: Doesn't matter. We are defining communication not the levels. It doesn't matter what level somebody talks and what level you talk. If the level and the heights of communication will be different, it will be a miscommunication. There is no problem with that. Everything between two individual or many individuals, between one and many and many to one, any act is a communication. Is there any specific thing you want to say, which I want to clear?

YB：没关系。我们定义的是沟通，不是层次。某个人在什么层次说话、你在什么层次说话，都没关系。如果沟通的层次和高度不同，那就会是沟通不良。这没问题。两个个体之间或许多个体之间，一个和许多之间、许多和一个之间，任何行为都是沟通。你有什么具体想说的、我想澄清的吗？

Student: I feel that what would possibly be (?) that the communication is being going on although it is communication within your definition would (?) is more of a game, it isn't really...

学生：我觉得，可能（？）沟通一直在进行，虽然按你的定义它是沟通，但（？）更像一场游戏，它并不真的……

YB: Mostly people mostly communicate... people communicate as a game. It's just you want to please somebody it is a game, you want to click on somebody it's a game, you want to pull leg of somebody is a game, you want to ridicule somebody a game, you want to control somebody son of a bitch is a game. You make somebody look like a lofty and high like a God is a game, communication is a very rare and most precious subject. It's very rare and very precious. Everything else is a game. That's what I want to do all this workshop and let people know what the game is, from which center they are talking about, what they actually mean, what is going on, you know we have to do lot of... we have to cover lot of area. But if you have any misunderstanding that communication is not used as a weapon and a game you are wrong, it's a war game. It's a game to win, it's a game to lose, it's a game to be, it's a game not to be, it's a... that's the only thing we have. We do it very often. That was just not one example you will find million people talking to you everyday just as a game. What else?

YB：大多数人交流……人们交流就像玩游戏。你想讨好某人，那是个游戏；你想吸引某人，那是个游戏；你想捉弄某人，那是个游戏；你想嘲笑某人，那是个游戏；你想控制某人，那混蛋就是个游戏。你把人捧得像神一样崇高伟大，那是个游戏。交流是一件极其稀有、极其珍贵的事。它非常稀有，非常珍贵。其他一切都是游戏。这就是我整个工作坊想做的事，让人们知道什么是游戏，他们是从哪个中心在说话，他们真正想表达什么，到底在发生什么。你知道，我们得做很多……我们得涵盖很多领域。但如果你有任何误解，以为交流没有被当作武器和游戏来用，那你就错了，它是一场战争游戏。它是为了赢的游戏，是为了输的游戏，是为了存在的游戏，是为了不存在的游戏，它是……我们只有这个。我们经常这么做。那不只是个例子，你每天都会发现无数人在跟你说话，就只是当作游戏。还有什么？

Student: I feel the highest form of communication is not a game (?) if you really want to send out an honest message to someone it has to be done (?) sounds good...

学生：我觉得最高形式的交流不是游戏（？）如果你真的想向某人传达一个诚实的信息，它必须被（？）听起来不错……

YB: That is not... that's a matter of opinion, what highest message you are going to send and whether somebody can receive it or not that's between two people. They have nothing to judge about it. But highest message is also a game. You mean highest people in highest office do not exploit... President of America does not exploit Americans?

YB：那不是……那是见仁见智的问题，你要传达什么最高信息，以及别人能不能接收到，那是两个人之间的事。他们没什么可评判的。但最高的信息也是个游戏。你的意思是最高职位上的人不剥削……美国总统不剥削美国人吗？

Student: I wasn't referring to the (?)...

学生：我不是指（？）……

YB: I am talking of the spiritual. Spiritual people exploit worst than political. There is no dearth of exploitation, it can go on and on, it's a question of who is talking to who? Exploitation... game is what? Communication... normally any communication, which is for the profit and the gain has to take a tendency of exploitation. It's as simple as that. It's a tool. Why people do not like 3HO discipline? Do you know that?

YB：我说的是灵性层面。灵性的人比搞政治的剥削得更厉害。剥削从不匮乏，它可以一直继续下去，问题是谁在跟谁说话？剥削……游戏是什么？交流……通常任何为了利益和好处的交流，都必然带有剥削的倾向。就这么简单。它是个工具。为什么人们不喜欢3HO的纪律？你知道吗？

Student: (----)

学生：（----）

YB: Why 3HO... many people in 3HO do not like 3HO discipline? Do you ever know that?

YB：为什么3HO……3HO里很多人不喜欢3HO的纪律？你曾经知道吗？

Student: Why they don't like it?

学生：他们为什么不喜欢？

YB: Yeah.

YB：对。

Student: Because of the discipline.

学生：因为纪律。

YB: Because of the discipline. And what is the discipline? We want them to grow. And we want them to grow so that we can grow and it's a exploitation. And they do not want to take the responsibility, they do not want to grow and they run away. You know lot of people say, "Well, 3HO is nothing but exploitation, it's a control thing, it's a organization." Question is very simple. We want everybody to get into the discipline and grow enough that they can be helped. Not that hang on me and you and them and some people do not like freedom. They want to hang on, they like to sit rest of their life like babies. They will never grow. I have seen lot of people in my experience; you tell them, "You are this."

YB：因为纪律。什么是纪律？我们希望他们成长。我们希望他们成长，这样我们才能成长，而这是一种剥削。他们不想承担责任，他们不想成长，他们就跑掉了。你知道很多人说：“3HO 不过是剥削，是控制，是个组织。”问题很简单。我们希望每个人都进入纪律，成长到足以得到帮助。不是让他们挂在我、你、他们身上，有些人并不喜欢自由。他们想挂着，他们喜欢像婴儿一样度过余生。他们永远不会成长。以我的经验，我见过很多人；你告诉他们：“你是这样的。”

"Oh you are, you are cutting me out." Cutting you out for what? What cutting you out? I am explaining to you this is you are and you grow and be so and keep going. People do not want to change because they feel insecure. And we cannot also hang on with people. We want them to grow. That's where we started based on that, that we will create teachers; we never started that we will have disciples. Some people came to be students and they still want to be students. And when we tell them that they are not students, they are to be teachers, they don't like it. Yes?

“哦，你是在把我切割出去。”把你切割出去干什么？什么把你切割出去？我是在向你解释，你就是这样的，你成长，成为那样，继续走下去。人们不想改变，因为他们感到不安全。我们也不能一直挂着别人。我们希望他们成长。我们就是基于这一点开始的，我们要培养老师；我们从来没有开始说要有一群弟子。有些人来当学生，他们到现在还想当学生。当我们告诉他们，他们不是学生，他们是要当老师的，他们就不喜欢。是吧？

Student: Is it possible for two people to communicate on the same (?).

学生：两个人有可能在同一个（？）上沟通吗？

YB: When motive and the purpose is the same, people don't utter a word. Talking is done to convince each other. When motive and purpose is the same you will not sight people uttering one word. I remember there was one girl; she ran out of the house, she registered herself in a motel. Somehow we sent the security out and we wanted to find out what has happened and found out she is in such and such motel and room number such and such and I called and she picked up the phone and I said, "This is me."

YB：当动机和目的相同时，人们一个字都不说。说话是为了说服彼此。当动机和目的相同时，你不会看到人们说出一个字。我记得有一个女孩；她跑出家门，在一家汽车旅馆登记住下。我们想办法派了保安出去，想弄清楚发生了什么，发现她在某某汽车旅馆、某某房间号，我打了电话，她接了电话，我说：“是我。”

She said, "This is me."

她说：“是我。”

And I didn't... and then she said, "I can go back right now, I can go back tomorrow."

我没有……然后她说：“我现在就可以回去，我明天就可以回去。”

And I said, "Wait for the escort."

我说：“等护送的人来。”

She said, "Thank you."

她说：“谢谢。”

I called her husband back and I said, "Go and pick her up."

我给她丈夫回电话，我说：“去接她。”

And he said, "May I... may, may, may I..."

他说：“我可以……可以、可以、可以我……”

There was no communication with anyone. There was absolutely communication with her. His question is, "Should I should I not, tell me?"

没有和任何人沟通。和她绝对有沟通。他的问题是：“我该不该，告诉我？”

I said, "Just go, pick her up, bring her back home and ask her to call me."

我说：“去吧，接她，带她回家，让她给我打电话。”

And with a hesitation he went and he brought her back and she called me. And then next morning from the office he called me and he said, "I am..."

他犹豫着去了，把她带回来了，她给我打了电话。然后第二天早上他从办公室给我打电话，他说：“我……”