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Interviewer:... Welcome back to health talk, I am Dr. Ronald Hoffman and as promised, we have an expert in the studio on ayurvedic medicine, he is Yogi Ji, he is well known throughout the world. He is a scholar and he has invented the whole line of herbal products, which you have to hear about in his program. And Yogi Ji has asked me as a preface to this interview to share with you this particular moral: herbs heal, doctors diagnose but God cures.
Interviewer：……欢迎回到健康访谈，我是 Ronald Hoffman 医生，正如之前说的，今天我们请来了一位阿育吠陀医学专家，他就是 Yogi Ji，他在全世界都很有名。他是一位学者，还发明了一整系列草本产品，你们一定得在他的节目里听一听。Yogi Ji 请我在这次访谈开始前先跟大家分享这句话：草本疗愈，医生诊断，但神疗愈。
YB: And God cures.
YB：神疗愈。
Interviewer: Indeed, indeed and well tell us little about what that message.
Interviewer：确实，确实，那跟我们讲讲这句话是什么意思。
YB: Because it is a very old saying, 'you are what you eat. ' The mechanical system of the blood which contains the glandular mixture and that's what your life is all about, you have to understand that your food does affect you in and out. And in the olden time when we didn't have modern medicine, all we had is herbs;
YB：因为这是一句很老的话，「你吃什么，你就是什么。」血液的机械系统里含着腺体的混合物，你的整个生命就是这样运作的。你得明白，你的食物确确实实从里到外影响着你。在过去，我们没有现代医学，我们有的就是草本；
you have to understand that your food does affect you in and out. And in the olden time when we didn't have modern medicine, all we had is herbs; some we cook, some we eat raw, some we just eat as roots and that's how we used to cure ourself and sunshine and exercise and herbs, that was our whole medical science, we never stray from that and now we have become very civilized, you know it is just now one in a box, it's called ointment and walk is very rare, and car is all the way to anything.
你得明白，你的食物确确实实从里到外影响着你。在过去，我们没有现代医学，我们有的就是草本；有些我们煮熟了吃，有些生吃，有些就直接当根茎吃，我们就是这样给自己疗愈的，再加上阳光、运动、草本，那就是我们全部的医学。我们从没偏离过这条路。而现在我们变得非常文明了，你知道，现在就是装在盒子里的一样东西，叫做药膏，走路非常少见，去哪儿都是开车。
So there is a shortage of exercise and it is to make the food very tasty, we have all the grease in the world and lot and everything else. So after all, body is breaking down under the impression of that indigestion and we have extra weight, extra meat, everything else.
所以运动是缺的。而且为了让食物非常好吃，我们放了全世界的油脂，什么料都加。结果呢，身体就在那种消化不良的压力下垮掉，我们就超重、多长肉，别的毛病也来了。
everything else. So after all, body is breaking down under the impression of that indigestion and we have extra weight, extra meat, everything else.
别的毛病也来了。结果呢，身体就在那种消化不良的压力下垮掉，我们就超重、多长肉，别的毛病也来了。
Now our national thing is saying that you should be vegetarian. If you are not vegetarian, you should eat minimum six times vegetables, six to nine times, you know now they are discovering; we used to have a cinnamon toast in the morning every child, now we have forgotten that and now we have virus everywhere. We knew the cinnamon toast contain, we knew the pears can break away all the stones in the body and the fibrosis will not bother. We knew that if we take a one banana in the morning and four o'clock grapes, we will not have any potassium deficiency. We knew all those things.
现在我们全国上下都在说，你应该吃素。如果你不吃素，你也应该至少吃 6 次蔬菜，6 到 9 次。你知道吗，他们现在才在发现这些；我们以前早上每个孩子都吃肉桂吐司，现在我们把那个忘了，现在到处都是病毒。我们知道肉桂吐司里有什么，我们知道梨能化解身体里所有的结石，纤维化就不会来找麻烦。我们知道早上吃 1 根香蕉、4 点吃葡萄，就不会缺钾。这些我们都知道。
We knew apple a day saves the life and keeps the doctor away, we also knew one onion a day will keep the cancer away; we knew also the carrot juice will give our ENT all the strength; we knew that our teeth need help in simple massage on the gums, and we knew alum and salt put together, you will see the shine, they are bright and they are very clean.
我们早就知道，一天一个苹果能救命、让医生离你远点；我们也知道，一天一个洋葱能让癌症离你远点；我们还知道，胡萝卜汁会给你的耳鼻喉全部的力量；我们知道，牙齿需要帮忙，简单地按摩牙龈，我们还知道，明矾和盐放在一起，你会看到那光泽，它们又亮又非常干净。
Interviewer: These are all the basic secrets of ayurvedic medicine...
主持人：这些都是阿育吠陀医学的基本秘密……
put together, you will see the shine, they are bright and they are very clean.
放在一起，你会看到那光泽，它们又亮又非常干净。
Interviewer: These are all the basic secrets of ayurvedic medicine...
主持人：这些都是阿育吠陀医学的基本秘密……
YB: It is three thousand years formula, it is all written, it is recorded, it is not something anybody can do about it, it is what the facts are. We started helping America, when the young people in the age were hippies and drugs were heavy, so I started working with Woodstock Nation and became very great leader of the... but we gave them life, the style, understanding, health and we brought them back to normalcy. So they can face the civilized world and from there, it all started but it was very difficult to convince people to go and pick up the herb and go, do this.
Yogi Bhajan：这是三千年的配方，全都写下来了，全都记录在案，不是谁能随便对它做什么，事实就是这样。我们开始帮助美国，那时候年轻人还是嬉皮士，毒品很重，所以我开始和伍德斯托克一代共事，成了……的很大领袖，但我们给了他们生命、风格、理解和健康，我们把他们带回正常状态。这样他们就能面对文明世界，一切就是从那里开始的，但那时候很难说服人去买草药、去这么做。
Interviewer: Right.
主持人：对。
YB: So, we started Yogi tea.
Yogi Bhajan：所以，我们开始做 Yogi 茶。
Interviewer: (----)
主持人：（----）
YB: And we started putting different herbs in it and everybody can drink a cup of tea and effect is right there stimulant in two seconds, there is no problem that anybody has to worry about it.
Yogi Bhajan：我们开始往里面放各种草药，每个人都能喝上一杯茶，效果立刻就在那儿，两秒钟就提神，没有任何人需要担心的问题。
Interviewer: That's it, these are medicinal teas but are they designed as medicines or as designed as taste...
主持人：就是这样，这些是药用茶，但它们是设计成药物，还是设计成味道……
that anybody has to worry about it.
任何人需要担心的问题。
Interviewer: That's it, these are medicinal teas but are they designed as medicines or as designed as taste...
主持人：就是这样，这些是药用茶，但它们是设计成药物，还是设计成味道……
YB: The food supplement, tasty food supplement. They are not medicine at all but they work wonders.
Yogi Bhajan：是食品补充剂，美味的食品补充剂。它们根本不是药，但它们创造奇迹。
Interviewer: Because they can't take as medicine is that, you know kind of whole you knows when you take it and taste back...
主持人：因为不能把它当药吃，就是那种，你知道，你喝下去、回味道的时候，整个……
YB: No, no, no, they are very tasty, they are very bombardingly very wonderful, they will start in five minutes, doing what they say, they will be doing. And they are very, I mean to say, we are not only we are number best in the United States, we are sending to Korea, we are going to send to Japan, they are going to send to South East Asia—idea is the people wants to live well and live young.
Yogi Bhajan：不，不，不，它们非常美味，它们非常令人震撼地美妙，五分钟内就会开始做它们所说的。而且它们非常，我的意思是说，我们不只是全美第一，我们正在发往韩国，我们要发往日本，他们要发往东南亚——关键是人们想要活得好、活得年轻。
Interviewer: Also it's to launch every religious theme for...
主持人：也是为了发起每一个宗教主题……
YB: And that is where we are helping.
Yogi Bhajan：那正是我们在帮忙的地方。
Interviewer: What is your favorite formulations of ayurvedic herbs?
主持人：你最喜欢的阿育吠陀草药配方是什么？
to launch every religious theme for...
为了发起每一个宗教主题……
YB: And that is where we are helping.
Yogi Bhajan：这正是我们在帮忙的地方。
Interviewer: What is your favorite formulations of ayurvedic herbs?
采访者：你最喜欢的阿育吠陀草药配方是哪些？
YB: Now we have, we have lot of capsules made out of like 7R is for anybody who wants to relax, 3R is anybody who has a back pain, 2R is anybody who has a arthritis and all that, like 1R is just keeping you regular and stimulating and 20R is for when you have tremendous amount of continuous headache, you can get out of it. So we have very simple formula and they are very well tested and they are very well grounded but they are the food supplements.
Yogi Bhajan：现在我们有很多胶囊，比如 7R 是给任何想放松的人，3R 是给任何背痛的人，2R 是给任何有关节炎之类的人，1R 就是让你保持规律、保持活力，20R 是当你连续剧烈头痛的时候，可以靠它走出来。我们的配方非常简单，它们经过充分测试、有扎实依据，但它们是食品补充剂。
Interviewer: And as far as the taste, you know some of my favorites are, cinnamon spice is one of the...
采访者：至于味道，你知道，我自己最喜欢的一些是，肉桂香料是其中之一……
YB: The cinnamon you eat, you will likes cinnamon because cinnamon will takeaway from your blood any effect of mucus, your body will not hold extra mucus, you will remain skinny, you may feel good. That's why every child in the morning in United States used to have a cinnamon toast, it's all gone now.
Yogi Bhajan：你吃肉桂，你会喜欢肉桂，因为肉桂会带走你血液里黏液的影响，你的身体不会留住多余的黏液，你会保持精瘦，你会感觉很好。所以在美国，过去每个孩子早上都吃肉桂吐司，现在全没了。
Interviewer: That was a tradition and it is...
采访者：那曾是一个传统，而且它……
YB: Now it is nothing, now it is just cookies and chips and this and that...
Yogi Bhajan：现在什么都没有了，现在只有饼干、薯片，这个那个……
Interviewer: Snack, walnuts we orient.
采访者：零食，核桃，我们习惯的。
was a tradition and it is...
那曾是一个传统，而且它……
YB: Now it is nothing, now it is just cookies and chips and this and that...
Yogi Bhajan：现在什么都没有了，现在只有饼干、薯片，这个那个……
Interviewer: Snack, walnuts we orient.
采访者：零食，核桃，我们习惯的。
YB: Yeah, I mean to say, this is how it was. And we are changing our food, we are changing our salad, salads are very light; we used to have very heavy salads and we used to use three things; ginger, ginger ale came out, like it was a pure ginger drink.
Yogi Bhajan：是的，我是说，过去就是这样。而我们在改变我们的食物，我们在改变我们的沙拉，沙拉很清淡；我们过去吃很重的沙拉，我们过去用三样东西：姜，姜汁汽水就是从它来的，那是一种纯姜饮料。
Interviewer: Right. Especially it will help for diabetes...
采访者：对。尤其是它对糖尿病有帮助……
YB: It is gone, Sarsaparilla is gone, now for this there are tons of drinks. I mean there are certain things which people have forgotten; forgetting that when we settled in America, how great it was and how we settled it. Spirit is there, we are born as spiritual being for human experience, we are not born human being for spiritual experience. Then you know three thousand years, we are finding God and God is finding us, we do not know who is missing who? But fact is when we have energy, we use two-third of our body energy, just to digest heavy food and we live on remaining one-third. Why not we use two-third and remain on one-third? And that's the point of difference.
Yogi Bhajan：它没了，菝葜也没了，现在这些东西有无数种饮料。我是说，有些东西人们已经忘了；忘了我们当初来到美国定居时，那有多好，我们又是怎么把它建立起来的。精神还在，我们生来就是灵性的存在，来经历人的生活，我们不是生来就是人，去追求灵性体验。然后你知道，三千年来，我们在找神，神也在找我们，我们不知道是谁错过了谁？但事实是，当我们有能量时，我们用身体三分之二的能量，只是去消化沉重的食物，然后靠剩下的三分之一活着。为什么不用三分之二，靠三分之一活着呢？这就是差别的所在。
just to digest heavy food and we live on remaining one-third. Why not we use two-third and remain on one-third? And that's the point of difference.
只是去消化沉重的食物，然后靠剩下的三分之一活着。为什么不用三分之二，靠三分之一活着呢？这就是差别的所在。
Interviewer: Sarsaparilla are herbs and have specific functions in ayurvedic medicine and ginger for example we talked about, what is ginger going to produce?
Interviewer：菝葜是草药，在阿育吠陀医学里有特定的作用，比如我们刚才聊到的生姜，生姜会产生什么效果？
YB: Ginger takes away the poison of the body. It keeps the body, inner, inner lining warm and the poison which spoils the body or it creates the terminal diseases, ginger stops that.
YB：生姜能带走体内的毒素。它让身体内部、内壁保持温暖，而那些败坏身体、引发绝症的毒素，生姜能把它挡住。
Interviewer: Ginger actually now of course you mentioned this is part of the ayurvedic tradition but now modern science is showing the ginger has anti-bodies...
Interviewer：生姜，当然你提到过它属于阿育吠陀传统，但现在现代科学也显示生姜有抗体……
YB: Modern science has learned about garlic the same way. And modern science is now understanding, if you want to eliminate cancer, people have to eat raw onion a day. Modern science is coming all the way up to the point of these, they want... Now, people do not believe that their system is correct; they want to have now a correct system is get knowledge Indian and Japanese, Chinese, Indonesians, anywhere where there knowledge is. American is willing to go.
YB：现代科学也是用同样的方式认识了蒜。现在现代科学开始明白了，如果想要消除癌症，人每天得吃一颗生洋葱。现代科学正一路走到这个点上，他们想要……现在，人们不相信自己的系统是正确的；他们现在想要一个正确的系统，就是去获取印度、日本、中国、印度尼西亚的知识，任何有这些知识的地方。美国人愿意去。
to have now a correct system is get knowledge Indian and Japanese, Chinese, Indonesians, anywhere where there knowledge is. American is willing to go.
to have now a correct system is get knowledge Indian and Japanese, Chinese, Indonesians, anywhere where there knowledge is. American is willing to go.
Interviewer: And some of new formulas are combinations of green tea with kombucha, tell us little about the properties of kombucha many of our listeners know about it but...
Interviewer：还有一些新配方是把绿茶和康普茶结合起来，给我们讲讲康普茶的特性，很多听众都知道它，但是……
YB: It is, it is a technically, it change the resilience of the body, you know you deteriorate and sometimes, the dead cells doesn't come out and they start stocking blocks. And green tea is very pushing, it pushes out all the garbage out and kombucha helps to replace it, it brings in the youthfulness. So we put two together in Yogi tea and get it going.
YB：它，它从技术上来说，它能改变身体的韧性，你知道人会衰老，有时候死细胞排不出去，就开始堆积、堵塞。绿茶很有推动力，它把所有垃圾都推出去，而康普茶帮助替换，它带来青春活力。所以我们把两者放在一起，做成 Yogi tea，让它发挥作用。
Interviewer: In the green tea off course, again science is validating...
Interviewer：在绿茶方面，当然，科学又一次在验证……
YB: It's a best selling tea, right now.
YB：它是现在最畅销的茶。
Interviewer: Absolutely, it's...
Interviewer：绝对的，它是……
YB: And if people who take it, they have, they tell you the stories which you don't want to believe.
YB：而且喝它的人，他们会跟你讲一些你不敢相信的故事。
Interviewer: Right, well, green tea, clearly has a role in the prevention of heart disease and cancer...
Interviewer：对，嗯，绿茶显然在预防心脏病和癌症方面有作用……
the stories which you don't want to believe.
the stories which you don't want to believe.
Interviewer: Right, well, green tea, clearly has a role in the prevention of heart disease and cancer...
Interviewer：对，嗯，绿茶显然在预防心脏病和癌症方面有作用……
YB: It makes you up rather than taking a Turkish coffee in the morning and whole day feeling dozy and this is something, and moreover the problem is, the people are getting so much headache because of bad food. So all this light teas put the headaches away and people can work better and they can work alert, they can work bright and within the range of that God.
Yogi Bhajan：它会让你振作起来，而不是早上喝一杯土耳其咖啡，然后一整天都昏昏沉沉，这是其中之一，而且更大的问题是，人们因为糟糕的食物而头疼得厉害。所以所有这些清淡的茶能把头痛赶走，人们能工作得更好，他们能工作时保持警觉，他们能工作得明亮，并且在那个神的范围内。
Interviewer: Do you see that these teas is becoming coffee substitute for many people?
采访者：你觉得这些茶正在成为很多人的咖啡替代品吗？
YB: Majority of the people, not only Yogi, Yogi tea originally I originated to help people who are addict to liquor and liquor and the drugs. Really, it's a substitute.
Yogi Bhajan：大多数人，不只是瑜伽士，Yogi 茶最初是我创造的，是为了帮助那些对酒精和酒精和毒品上瘾的人。真的，它是一种替代品。
Interviewer: (----)
采访者：（----）
YB: Well, it will just cleanse the liver. It is the most powerful tea, which works on the liver.
Yogi Bhajan：嗯，它会净化肝脏。它是最有力的茶，作用于肝脏。
Interviewer: Well, I take upon the theme, because I think that's an interesting point that some of these teas have anti-addictive and we generally will talks about...
采访者：嗯，我接着这个话题，因为我觉得那是个有趣的点，这些茶有些具有抗成瘾性，我们通常会谈到……
I take upon the theme, because I think that's an interesting point that some of these teas have anti-addictive and we generally will talks about...
我接着这个话题，因为我觉得那是个有趣的点，这些茶有些具有抗成瘾性，我们通常会谈到……
YB: Yeah, but you know when we started, every young kid you know when I was working in United States, every young kid was just lying down and spaced out and all that. And to cover them we started doing certain, giving them certain food and giving them freely handful of Yogi tea, so that, their liver can start re-functioning and their body can reinstate themself and that's what, that was which created the miracle.
Yogi Bhajan：是的，但你知道当我们开始的时候，每个年轻人，你知道我在美国工作的时候，每个年轻人都只是躺在那儿，神志恍惚什么的。为了把他们收拢起来，我们开始做某些事，给他们某些食物，免费给他们一把一把的 Yogi 茶，这样他们的肝脏就能重新运作，他们的身体就能自我复原，那就是，那就是创造了奇迹的东西。
Interviewer: Our guest tonight is Yogi Ji he is the originator of very innovative line of the ancient healings, formulas and modern delicious form, Yogi teas and I am Dr. Ronald Hoffman and this is health talk.
采访者：今晚我们的嘉宾是 Yogi Ji，他是一条非常创新的产品线的创始者，把古代疗愈、配方以现代美味的形式呈现，Yogi 茶，我是 Ronald Hoffman 医生，这里是健康谈。
Interviewer: We can do another segment.
采访者：我们可以再做一段。
YB: I know, commercial break.
Yogi Bhajan：我知道，广告时间。
Interviewer: Commercials... How are you doing? Good.
采访者：广告……你怎么样？好。
YB: Well, we are, we are honored, this is what people want to know.
Yogi Bhajan：嗯，我们，我们很荣幸，这正是人们想知道的。
Interviewer: Anyway, we want it, okay, ten minutes?
采访者：不管怎样，我们想要它，好吗，十分钟？
How are you doing? Good.
你怎么样？好。
YB: Well, we are, we are honored, this is what people want to know.
Yogi Bhajan：嗯，我们，我们很荣幸，这正是人们想知道的。
Interviewer: Anyway, we want it, okay, ten minutes?
采访者：不管怎样，我们想要它，好吗，十分钟？
Interviewer: Welcome back to health talk, I am Dr. Ronald Hoffman our guest tonight is Yogi Ji; it is a famous that 'herbs heal, doctors medically diagnose but God cures' and there is obviously the primacy of the spiritual message in ayurveda—you can take different medications and you can take herbs but it's a very important message about the spirit and about...
采访者：欢迎回到健康谈，我是 Ronald Hoffman 医生，今晚我们的嘉宾是 Yogi Ji；有句话很出名，「草药疗愈，医生用医学诊断，但神治愈」，而且在阿育吠陀里显然灵性讯息是首要的——你可以服用不同的药物，你可以服用草药，但关于灵性和关于……有一个非常重要的讯息。
YB: The best thing in ayurveda, which you are taught it and you live by the breath of life. So your left nostril and right nostril balance the body and body temperature and does the circulation and all that. Therefore, the best thing is how to early in the morning get up, stretch your body, stretch your limbs and get going; and then you sit down and calm down and breathe through the left nostril, exhale through the right nostril, that gives you a elementary personality.
Yogi Bhajan：阿育吠陀里最好的东西，就是你被教导的、并且靠生命之气活着的那一套。你的左鼻孔和右鼻孔平衡身体、平衡体温，还负责循环等等。所以，最好的做法是：一早起来，伸展身体，伸展四肢，动起来；然后坐下来，静下来，用左鼻孔吸气，用右鼻孔呼气，这会给你一个基本的人格。
Interviewer: Now, lot of people say, this is yoga and lot of people have said that the yoga is actually a science. How was it developed as a science? What is scientific about it?
采访者：现在很多人说，这是瑜伽，也有很多人说，瑜伽其实是一门科学。它是怎么发展成一门科学的？它的科学之处在哪里？
say, this is yoga and lot of people have said that the yoga is actually a science. How was it developed as a science? What is scientific about it?
说，这是瑜伽，很多人说瑜伽其实是一门科学。它是怎么发展成一门科学的？它的科学之处在哪里？
YB: But you know originally, let us say about three thousand year ago people wanted to be absolutely healthy, they want to have self-control, they want to have self-dignity. Those were days of self-honor, you have to come out for sacrifice anytime you want, you have to answer every call. People needed tons of energy; so they developed a method through which they can always be physically, mentally and spiritually smart.
Yogi Bhajan：但你知道，最初，比如说大约三千年前，人们想要绝对健康，想要有自制力，想要有自尊。那是自尊自重的年代，你随时都得站出来牺牲，每一个召唤你都得回应。人们需要巨大的能量，所以他们发展出一套方法，让自己在身体上、心智上、灵性上始终敏锐。
Interviewer: Do we have to be extra special limber to do yoga or can...
采访者：练瑜伽必须特别柔软才行吗，还是……
YB: No, no, no, no, if you are very uptight and cracking, after two, three months, you will be fine. Question is, normal body of a baby and normal body of a man is no different. Simply baby has to do growing exercise, you know baby always put his legs out, hands out and move.
Yogi Bhajan：不，不，不，不，如果你很僵硬、一动就咔咔响，过两三个月，你就好了。问题是，婴儿的正常身体和成人的正常身体没有区别。只是婴儿得做生长的运动，你知道，婴儿总是把腿伸出去、手伸出去、动来动去。
Interviewer: (----)
采访者：（----）
YB: Yeah, they are there, but question is the old man will sit on the chair and snore, and this is what ultimately man found out that he will become insensitive, numb, rigid and that's not life. So, they started working...
Yogi Bhajan：对，它们是在那儿，但问题是，老人会坐在椅子上打呼噜，人最终发现，自己会变得迟钝、麻木、僵硬，而那不是生命。于是，他们开始下功夫……
and snore, and this is what ultimately man found out that he will become insensitive, numb, rigid and that's not life. So, they started working...
然后坐在椅子上打呼噜，人最终发现，自己会变得迟钝、麻木、僵硬，而那不是生命。于是，他们开始下功夫……
Interviewer: So, it's not a natural process that people end up like that, it's a general process that we can avoid.
采访者：所以，人最后变成那样，并不是一个自然的过程，而是一个我们能够避免的普遍过程。
YB: Yeah, mentally when you are not active, it will come to you. It's not something you can always think you can conquer it. Yoga systematically help you to conquer it, so that you can remain; you know you must die, you must live, that's not the problem. But as much you live, you must live energetic, healthy and with full swing.
Yogi Bhajan：对，当你在心智上不活跃时，它就会找上你。这不是你总以为自己能战胜的东西。瑜伽系统地帮你战胜它，这样你就能保持下去；你知道，你终有一死，你也得活着，这不是问题。但你活着的每一天，都得活得有能量、健康、全力以赴。
Interviewer: And what role this meditation plays in all this?
采访者：那冥想在这其中起什么作用？
YB: Meditation is, when your brain is in order, your whole life is in order.
YB：冥想是，当你的大脑井然有序，你的整个生命就井然有序。
Interviewer: So, meditation doesn't necessarily mean that, you have to sit...
Interviewer：所以，冥想并不一定意味着，你得坐着……
is, when your brain is in order, your whole life is in order.
是，当你的大脑井然有序，你的整个生命就井然有序。
Interviewer: So, meditation doesn't necessarily mean that, you have to sit...
Interviewer：所以，冥想并不一定意味着，你得坐着……
YB: You know, the meditation system is like when, when you will start your day, your intellect releases one thought, thousand thoughts per wink of the eye. Each thought has to become feeling, it has to become emotion, it has to become desire. And in that role, sometime you complete nothing or you are just feeling very empty and depressed and all that. With meditation, all those unwanted thought, which you have never exercised in life, go to the subconscious. And then subconscious when get overloaded, it starts coming into the unconscious; and then people have nightmare, they have stress, they have Epstein-Barr; name a thing, they can't even walk sometime.
YB：你知道，冥想体系是这样，当你开始你的一天，你的智性释放出一个念头，眨眼之间就是一千个念头。每个念头都得变成感受，它得变成情绪，它得变成欲望。在那个角色里，有时你什么也完不成，或者你只是觉得很空虚、很抑郁，诸如此类。有了冥想，所有那些你不想要的念头，那些你在生活中从未演练过的念头，都会进入潜意识。然后潜意识一旦超载，它就开始进入无意识；接着人们就会做噩梦，有压力，得爱泼斯坦-巴尔病毒；你能叫出名字的毛病都有，有时他们连路都走不了。
With meditation, your meditation is based on one mantra, one word which has been given to you and you with the tongue, you chant that with the upper thalamus, hypothalamus and that which stirrup the whole brain. And then you concentrate and your thoughts start moving out, all the garbage will hit and in half an hour, you will be clean.
有了冥想，你的冥想基于一个曼陀罗（Mantra），一个已经授予你的词，你用舌头，用上丘脑、下丘脑唱诵它，它会搅动整个大脑。然后你专注，你的念头开始往外走，所有垃圾都会撞上来，半小时之内，你就干净了。
stirrup the whole brain. And then you concentrate and your thoughts start moving out, all the garbage will hit and in half an hour, you will be clean.
会搅动整个大脑。然后你专注，你的念头开始往外走，所有垃圾都会撞上来，半小时之内，你就干净了。
Interviewer: Are there are places that our listeners can access where they can learn more about this process yoga and meditation.
Interviewer：有没有一些地方，我们的听众可以去，在那里他们能更多了解这个过程、瑜伽和冥想。
YB: Well, there are lot of yoga centers here in New York, I mean to say, there are less doctors and more Yogis here; one of that out of it, it is 3HO foundation, you can find it in the telephone directory and you can call them...
YB：嗯，纽约这里有很多瑜伽中心，我是说，这里医生更少，瑜伽士（Yogi）更多；其中之一就是3HO基金会，你可以在电话簿里找到它，你可以给他们打电话……
Interviewer: Do we have a number where the listeners can access?
Interviewer：我们有听众可以联系到的电话号码吗？
YB: Do you have a number?
YB：你有号码吗？
Interviewer: That we can get a number but in each time...
Interviewer：我们可以弄到一个号码，但每次……
YB: Take the number.
YB：把号码拿来。
Interviewer: Yeah, let us talk about us, we will get the number just a second for listeners.
Interviewer：好，我们来聊聊我们自己，我们一会儿就给听众拿到号码。
What about you mentioned the properties of herbs to release toxins and they help people get rid of bad habits of the drug here is there are lot of people in a Woodstock here is, Far behind is but a lot of young people, along who are using drugs. A lot of people are using prescription drugs, they will take headache remedies every single day.
你说到草药释放毒素的特性，它们帮助人们戒掉毒品的坏习惯，那方面呢，这里有很多人，在伍德斯托克这里，更远的地方也是，但很多年轻人，他们都在吸毒。很多人用处方药，他们每天都要吃头痛药。
but a lot of young people, along who are using drugs. A lot of people are using prescription drugs, they will take headache remedies every single day.
但是很多年轻人，在使用毒品。很多人在使用处方药，他们每天都要吃头痛药。
YB: You know but you understand, I am not against any drug but you can take a Tylenol, keep on taking Tylenol, the pain will not go away. There is no guarantee your pain will go away, the guarantee is that you want to get to the root of it. The difference between a medical treatment and a yogic treatment is they want to find the cause and remove the effect. That is their beauty, that's their personality and that's what we are trying to make people understand that you can take care of yourself very, very much.
YB：你知道，但你明白，我不反对任何药物，但你可以吃泰诺，一直吃泰诺，疼痛不会消失。你的疼痛没有保证会消失，保证的是你想要找到它的根。医疗和瑜伽疗愈的区别在于，它们想找到原因，去掉结果。这就是它们的美，这就是它们的人格，这就是我们想让人明白的——你可以很好地、非常好地照顾自己。
That's why we, that's why we have massage oil and they are different than any massage oil, because we understand people want to take care of their skin, people want to take care of their muscle, people want to take care of their life. That's why we have a Wahe Guru chew, it's a candy; one Wahe Guru chew, forget about whole day, you will feel absolutely fulfilled.
这就是为什么我们，这就是为什么我们有按摩油，它们和任何按摩油都不同，因为我们明白人们想照顾自己的皮肤，人们想照顾自己的肌肉，人们想照顾自己的生命。这就是为什么我们有 Wahe Guru, Whaa‑hay Guroo 咀嚼糖，它是一颗糖；一颗 Wahe Guru, Whaa‑hay Guroo 咀嚼糖，一整天都不用管了，你会觉得完全满足。
Interviewer: (----)
采访者：（----）
YB: Oh yes.
YB：哦，是的。
Interviewer: This is part of the...
采访者：这是……的一部分
YB: That's what we all sell.
YB：这就是我们卖的所有东西。
whole day, you will feel absolutely fulfilled.
一整天，你会觉得完全满足。
Interviewer: (----)
采访者：（----）
YB: Oh yes.
YB：哦，是的。
Interviewer: This is part of the...
采访者：这是……的一部分
YB: That's what we all sell.
YB：这就是我们卖的所有东西。
Interviewer: You know, I think the proprietary number give out is the number for free catalogue on, a national products...
采访者：你知道，我想他们给出的专有号码是免费目录的号码，一个全国产品……
YB: Correct.
YB：对。
Interviewer: Which will include the line of Yogi teas but also...
采访者：里面会包括 Yogi 茶系列，但也会……
YB: Yeah, we will give all our products.
YB：是的，我们会给所有我们的产品。
Interviewer: For all the products, even some of the traditional ayurvedic products...
采访者：所有产品，甚至一些传统的阿育吠陀产品……
YB: Correct.
YB：对。
Interviewer: The cleansing products.
采访者：排毒产品。
YB: Correct.
YB：对。
Interviewer: Would you pick the name of the one you just mentioned?
采访者：你能说一下你刚提到的那一款的名字吗？
YB: 1R, 1R if you take three capsules at night with a glass of milk, you will be most regular with no side effect.
YB：1R，1R，如果你晚上用一杯牛奶吃 3 粒胶囊，你会非常规律，没有副作用。
Interviewer: Okay, the number is (?) 1800359294, I will repeat that, it's 1800359294, we get free catalogue on natural ayurvedic products. (?) a bit about, you know just some of, some of the teas themselves because I think for lot of people, they may not access things as challenging as meditation or yoga or we need some specialized products but what is meant by that Purkinje fibers?
采访者：好，号码是（？）1800359294，我重复一下，是 1800359294，我们可以获得天然阿育吠陀产品的免费目录。（？）稍微讲一下，你知道，就讲一些茶本身，因为我想对很多人来说，他们可能接触不到像冥想或瑜伽这么有挑战性的东西，或者我们需要一些专门的产品，但那个 Purkinje fibers 是什么意思？
they may not access things as challenging as meditation or yoga or we need some specialized products but what is meant by that Purkinje fibers?
他们可能接触不到像冥想或瑜伽这么有挑战性的东西，或者我们需要一些专门的产品，但那个 Purkinje fibers 是什么意思？
YB: Tea, tea affects you in exact three minutes. Tea goes into the bloodstream and the effect of the herb in it joins the bloodstream and within that time, the whole body started being alert to it and it start effectively giving the person what he needs to be having. It's a very positive approach and it's a quick approach, and it's more old than we can lie about it. Chinese from (?) they started tea, Japan tea ceremony takes seven hours, I went through one ceremony myself, seven hours, after that I got a little cup of tea—but drinking that cup of tea, three nights I couldn't sleep, I was just flying in the air.
Yogi Bhajan：茶，茶会在整整3分钟内影响你。茶进入血液，其中草本的功效随之进入血液，在这段时间里，整个身体开始对它警觉，它就开始有效地给人他所需的东西。这是一种非常正向的方式，也是一种快速的方式，而且它比我们敢乱说的还要古老。中国人（？）最早开始喝茶，日本的茶道要花7个小时，我自己经历过一次仪式，7个小时，之后我拿到一小杯茶——但喝完那杯茶，我3个晚上都睡不着，我就在空中飞。
So, I mean to say the herbs can become power in you and that power save your life, consumption of your prana and that makes you healthy, happy and holy.
所以，我的意思是，草本可以在你之内变成力量，那力量会救你的命，消耗你的prana，让你健康、快乐、神圣。
Interviewer: You know, I think well the nice things about these tea it's because it's so flavorful, they represent...
采访者：你知道，我觉得这些茶的好处在于它很有味道，它们代表……
YB: Tasty.
Yogi Bhajan：好喝。
happy and holy.
快乐、神圣。
Interviewer: You know, I think well the nice things about these tea it's because it's so flavorful, they represent...
采访者：你知道，我觉得这些茶的好处在于它很有味道，它们代表……
YB: Tasty.
Yogi Bhajan：好喝。
Interviewer:... An opportunity to get off of coffee and stimulants and for kids they offer opportunity to get off sodas because you literally take these teas, (?) and put him in the refrigerator and kids could drink it like sharabat.
采访者：……一个戒掉咖啡和刺激物的机会；对孩子来说，它们提供了戒掉汽水的机会，因为你真的把这些茶拿来做（？）放进冰箱，孩子们就可以像喝sharabat一样喝。
YB: My only problem is that the people should understand, when you take all the stimulants, then you have to come down and it makes your body and mood and physical health a yoyo. This is constant, consistent carrying you and it's carrying you all the way through. And it's very helpful when you are young because you want lot of activities; it's very helpful when you are old, you want to sustain your character.
Yogi Bhajan：我唯一的问题是，人们应该明白，当你摄入所有刺激物，你就必须回落下来，这会让你的身体、情绪和身体健康像溜溜球一样。这个东西是持续、稳定地承载着你，它一路承载着你。它在你年轻的时候很有帮助，因为你想要很多活动；它在你年老的时候也很有帮助，因为你想要维持你的品格。
And it's very helpful when you are young because you want lot of activities; it's very helpful when you are old, you want to sustain your character.
它在你年轻的时候很有帮助，因为你想要很多活动；它在你年老的时候也很有帮助，因为你想要维持你的品格。
Interviewer: You know you have been someone who has brought lot of the innovations of the culture of India to the United States, and this is an opportunity for you to address the American people as part of the American culture and as an observer of Americans. And deep from your experience in being in this country and working with Americans, do you have a message that you want to impart to Americans about where we should be headed in the next, now perhaps in the next morning, in the next...
采访者：你知道，你一直是一个把印度文化中的许多创新带到美国的人，而这是一个机会，让你作为美国文化的一部分，也作为美国人的观察者，向美国人民讲话。凭着你在这个国家生活、与美国人共事的深刻经验，你有没有什么讯息想传达给美国人，关于我们接下来应该走向哪里，也许就是接下来一个早晨，接下来……
YB: One century. Next century, next century we should get to the world and take all the knowledge of the herbs, healing ways and all from one tribe to another, from one square mile to another square mile, we should learn everything and we should become the most learned nation.
Yogi Bhajan：一个世纪。下个世纪，再下个世纪，我们应该走向世界，把草药、疗愈之道的一切知识，从一个部落传到另一个部落，从一平方英里传到另一平方英里，我们应该学会一切，成为最有学问的民族。
Interviewer: Do you see that this nation has potential to integrate? You know all the hi-tech wisdom that we became...
采访者：你觉得这个民族有潜力整合吗？你知道，我们变成的所有高科技智慧……
YB: We are a melting pot of all the cultures and all the religion, I think we will do it.
Yogi Bhajan：我们是所有文化、所有宗教的熔炉，我想我们会做到的。
You know all the hi-tech wisdom that we became...
你知道，我们变成的所有高科技智慧……
YB: We are a melting pot of all the cultures and all the religion, I think we will do it.
Yogi Bhajan：我们是所有文化、所有宗教的熔炉，我想我们会做到的。
Interviewer: Okay, well, that's a very good inspiring message and thanks very much for coming to the studio here to share that with us. Yogi Ji is a gentleman who really embodies the principle that herbs heal, doctors diagnose but it's really God that cures, and you got a number that we can mention again to you for free catalogue on natural products which are brought to this country and they are developed for you in a very palatable form. You can call 1800359294 and I want to thank you very much Yogi Ji for joining us here on health talk. It's been a pleasure...
采访者：好，这是一个非常鼓舞人心的信息，非常感谢你来到演播室和我们分享。Yogi Ji 是一位真正体现了这个原则的先生：草药疗愈，医生诊断，但真正疗愈的是神。你可以记下一个号码，我们再提一次，你可以拨打它免费索取天然产品的目录，这些产品被带到这个国家，以非常可口的形式为你研制。你可以拨打 1800359294，我非常感谢你，Yogi Ji，来到《健康对话》和我们在一起。很荣幸……
YB: Thank you very much doctor, it was a pleasure. Thanks to WOR.
Yogi Bhajan：非常感谢你，医生，很荣幸。感谢 WOR。
Interviewer: Thank you.
采访者：谢谢。
YB: Oh my God! You are very expert on it.
Yogi Bhajan：我的天！你在这方面非常在行。
Interviewer: I, I try.
采访者：我，我尽力。
YB: I think, thousands of people listened to it.
Yogi Bhajan：我想，成千上万的人听了。
Interviewer: Oh yeah, it's India as far as we can get, we can do it on a night where people will hear it in New York but also you have a national airways; so we got to work on that... I hope you will get lot of interest.
采访者：哦是的，能到印度就到印度，我们可以安排一个晚上，让人们能在纽约听到，而且你还有全国联播；所以我们得在这上面下功夫……我希望你会引起很多兴趣。
a night where people will hear it in New York but also you have a national airways; so we got to work on that... I hope you will get lot of interest.
一个晚上，让人们能在纽约听到，而且你还有全国联播；所以我们得在这上面下功夫……我希望你会引起很多兴趣。
YB: Well, my personal thanks, we let you know and see you back...
Yogi Bhajan：好，我个人谢谢你，我们会让你知道，回头见……
Interviewer: Thank you and thanks for being with us...
采访者：谢谢，也谢谢你和我们在一起……