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Interviewer: (?) in the history of the human (?) we have seen we have been experiencing major social or physical and economic upheavals and (?) then you know (?) localized in (?) major thing, which destroys the country (?) other parts of the world (?) and during the time of partition many people lost their lives, you were there and had to lead the entire village on Fourth March for many days before you reach safety, what was it like to be in situation like that?
采访者：（？）在人类（？）的历史上，我们看到我们一直在经历重大的社会、物质和经济的剧变，（？）然后你知道（？）局限在（？）重大事件上，它摧毁了国家（？）世界其他地方（？）在分治时期，许多人失去了生命，你当时在那里，不得不在 3 月 4 日带领整个村庄走了很多天，才到达安全的地方，身处那样的处境是什么感觉？
YB: Hah, our situation was that we were about seven thousand people (?) and we have only one day of ration. And we were attacked from three sides, three corners and there was no regular fighting that the only path we had to have was the rice fields, where up to knee there was a mud water standing for us, but still if you are a good leader and you are a conscious person and if people have faith in you... we came through very nicely. What we did is, we turned the paddy fields into food, we turned the mud water to soak it through the towels to drinking water, I mean we regenerated the whole system but the only thing, which survived us was discipline.
YB：哈，我们的处境是，我们大约有 7000 人（？），而我们只有一天的配给。我们三面受敌，三个方向都被攻击，而且没有正规的战斗，我们唯一能走的路只有稻田，那里有没到膝盖的泥水一直站着，但如果你是一个好的领导者，你是一个有觉知的人，如果人们信任你……我们非常漂亮地走了出来。我们所做的是，我们把稻田变成了食物，我们把泥水用毛巾过滤成饮用水，我的意思是，我们重建了整个系统，但唯一让我们活下来的东西，是纪律。
So and the other thing was that we wanted to be survive.
所以，另一件事是，我们想要活下来。
I mean we regenerated the whole system but the only thing, which survived us was discipline.
我的意思是，我们重建了整个系统，但唯一让我们活下来的东西，是纪律。
So and the other thing was that we wanted to be survive.
所以，另一件事是，我们想要活下来。
Interviewer: So you even didn't have a huge amount of technology of food stored (?) disciplined in (?).
采访者：所以你甚至没有大量储存食物的技术（？）在（？）中保持纪律。
YB: No technology could have worked except discipline, training and leadership, these are three technology, which can work through everything. Because basically everything falls apart, everything is schemes. Suppose here disaster happens or Freeway bridges fall, now they are convenience, they are convenience, they will become the biggest hurdle, no jeep, no truck can go out of a over cross Freeway, which fell on a basic road bottom road, you know it means all the four roads are blocked forever. You can't... you have to go, no car can go over, three-four storied house. But they are today very convenience, they are very style.
YB：除了纪律、训练和领导力，没有任何技术能起作用，这三样技术，可以穿过一切起作用。因为基本上一切都会崩塌，一切都是方案。假设这里发生灾难，或者高速公路桥塌了，现在它们是便利，它们是便利，它们会变成最大的障碍，没有吉普车，没有卡车能开出一座塌在基础道路下面道路上的高速公路桥，你知道，这意味着所有四条路都被永远堵住了。你不能……你必须走，没有车能开过去，三四层楼的房子。但它们今天非常便利，它们非常有格调。
blocked forever. You can't... you have to go, no car can go over, three-four storied house. But they are today very convenience, they are very style.
永远堵住了。你不能……你必须走，没有车能开过去，三四层楼的房子。但它们今天非常便利，它们非常有格调。
So what I mean to say, we have to understand and find out intelligently and use our intelligence to get out of one point to another point of safety and that's why I am asking everybody, I feel this time will pass, it will pass but if doesn't pass, we should be ready, that's it, I will never be panicked about it.
所以我想说的是，我们必须理解，用智力去弄明白，用我们的智力从一个点走到另一个安全的点，这就是为什么我在问每一个人，我觉得这段时间会过去，它会过去，但如果它不过去，我们就该准备好，就这样，我永远不会为此惊慌。
Interviewer: Could something like partition happened in United States?
采访者：美国会不会发生类似分治那样的事？
YB: There are three things, which can happens in United States, one can be like a Civil War, like people against government, chaos I call it, that can happen. Secondly, there maybe a some kind of attack, which may paralyze our system. Between 1984 to 1988 I do see the possibility, I underline the word possibility. There is a possibility that we may see some kind of paralyzation if it is not averted before that.
YB：有三件事可能在美国发生，一件可能像内战，像人民对抗政府，我称之为混乱，那是可能发生的。第二，可能会有某种攻击，让我们的系统瘫痪。1984 到 1988 年之间，我确实看到这种可能性，我要强调「可能性」这个词。有一种可能，如果我们不在那之前把它化解掉，我们就会看到某种瘫痪。
Interviewer: Human conditions being temporary and constantly changing could there ever be a time when there was no war and has there ever been or is there a possible human (?)
采访者：人的处境是暂时的、不断变化的，那会不会曾经有过一个没有战争的时期，是否曾经有过，或者是否可能有一种人类（？）
being temporary and constantly changing could there ever be a time when there was no war and has there ever been or is there a possible human (?)
是暂时的、不断变化的，那会不会曾经有过一个没有战争的时期，是否曾经有过，或者是否可能有一种人类（？）
YB: Temporarily there may not be a war what happens is this conditions gear up to the war and then war happens and then they gear up to peace and then peace happens and they gear up to...
YB：暂时地，可能没有战争，发生的是这样的：条件一步步酝酿到战争，然后战争发生，然后条件又一步步酝酿到和平，然后和平发生，然后它们又酝酿到……
Interviewer: What role does a spiritual person and spiritual community play in the destiny of the nation.
采访者：一个灵性的人和一个灵性团体，在国家的命运中扮演什么角色。
YB: To keep the war away, destruction away!
YB：把战争挡开，把毁灭挡开！
Interviewer: Has ever been in time and history when yogis have wrote the destiny of the nation?
采访者：历史上有没有过瑜伽士写下国家命运的时候？
YB: Effectively yeah.
YB：有效地讲，有。
Interviewer: When was that?
采访者：那是什么时候？
YB: Many, many times the wise man, what is a yogi, yogi is one who has a union with God, such man always create goodwill and goodwill has only ruled the Earth.
YB：很多很多次，智者，什么是瑜伽士，瑜伽士就是与神合一的人，这样的人总是创造善意，而只有善意统治过地球。
Interviewer: Without knowing what could happen in the future, how should we be preparing?
采访者：在不知道未来会发生什么的情况下，我们该怎么准备？
YB: I think we should have a greater ability, greater unity and greater discipline that we have now.
YB：我认为我们应该有比现在更大的能力、更大的团结和更大的纪律。
Interviewer: What about preparations of children to face such situations?
采访者：那孩子们面对这种局面的准备呢？
YB: Training.
YB：训练。
Interviewer: Any specific training?
采访者：有什么具体的训练吗？
that we have now.
我们现在有的。
Interviewer: What about preparations of children to face such situations?
采访者：那孩子们面对这种局面的准备呢？
YB: Training.
YB：训练。
Interviewer: Any specific training?
采访者：有什么具体的训练吗？
YB: They must know to obey orders, they must understand the conditions, they must understand between the hard time and soft time.
YB：他们必须懂得服从命令，他们必须理解情况，他们必须理解艰难时期和宽松时期之间的区别。
Interviewer: Are there special Kundalini Yoga exercise and meditation (?).
采访者：有没有特别的昆达里尼瑜伽练习和冥想（？）。
YB: What is this?
YB：这是什么？
Interviewer: Isn't the teaching of Kundalini Yoga, when we are talking about science of survival techniques, isn't the teaching of Kundalini Yoga actually the most primal science of survival?
采访者：当我们谈到生存技巧的科学时，昆达里尼瑜伽的教导，难道不正是最原始的生存科学吗？
YB: Well, it is a well... it gives you a, it gives you a intuitive intelligence and intuitive intelligence save you from dangers and give you alternative avenue for safety and that's where Kundalini Yoga gives you a enormous IQ, enormous intelligence, enormous strength, enormous love to survive, it's a very, very beautiful science, it must be the (?) because that's the science is as old as man is.
YB：嗯，它是……它给你一种直觉性的智力，直觉性的智力让你免于危险，给你另一条安全的途径，这就是昆达里尼瑜伽给你的——巨大的 IQ、巨大的智力、巨大的力量、巨大的爱，让你活下去，它是一门非常、非常美的科学，它一定是（？），因为这门科学和人类一样古老。
Interviewer: How old is Kundalini Yoga?
采访者：昆达里尼瑜伽有多古老？
YB: As old as we are because man wanted to learn the intuitive intelligence and wanted to achieve it and he experimented and built it and here we are.
YB：和我们一样古老，因为人想学会那种直觉性的智力，想达到它，就去实验、去建立，于是有了今天的我们。
YB: As old as we are because man wanted to learn the intuitive intelligence and wanted to achieve it and he experimented and built it and here we are.
YB：和我们一样古老，因为人想学会那种直觉性的智力，想达到它，就去实验、去建立，于是有了今天的我们。
Interviewer: What was the origin of Kundalini Yoga?
采访者：昆达里尼瑜伽的起源是什么？
YB: Man's need to survive against odd.
YB：人要在逆境中活下去的需要。
Interviewer: Developed through intuitive and...
采访者：通过直觉发展出来，还有……
YB: Yeah, yeah, it developed through the experience and some people just worked on it and became the sages and they just left this knowledge through the sages and it has developed to from master to master, heart to heart and today we are teaching it in the open, it is the next step to every man's neurosis.
YB：对，对，它是通过经验发展出来的，有些人就在这上面下功夫，成了见者（Rishi），他们通过见者把这门知识传下来，它就这样从一位古茹传到另一位古茹，从一颗心传到另一颗心，今天我们公开地教它，它是每个人神经症的下一步解药。
Interviewer: You once said, as long as man has not learned to respect a woman, there can be no peace on Earth, what does this mean in the context we are talking about?
采访者：你曾说过，只要人还没有学会尊重女人，地球上就不可能有和平，在我们现在谈的这个语境里，这句话是什么意思？
YB: Because woman is the faculty of peace, it is the polarity of the positive. Therefore, when you learned to complete the negative circuit with the positive, you have a glow, you have a peace, that's how the peace is. Man has only become aggressive for greed and for ego and every war if you want to look under the history of it, it is always decided to have a war, when you are greedy.
YB：因为女人是和平的官能，它是正极的极性。所以，当你学会用正极完成负极的回路，你就有光芒，你就有和平，和平就是这样来的。人只是因为贪婪和小我才变得好斗，每一场战争，如果你想看看它背后的历史，都是在你贪婪的时候，才决定要打的。
aggressive for greed and for ego and every war if you want to look under the history of it, it is always decided to have a war, when you are greedy.
因为贪婪和小我才好斗，每一场战争，如果你想看看它背后的历史，都是在你贪婪的时候，才决定要打的。
Interviewer: It seems that the world's been on brink of conflict for a longest time and is there a cure for this? Can it be cured?
采访者：世界似乎长期以来一直处在冲突的边缘，这有解药吗？它能被治愈吗？
YB: Well, with a human communication like UNO and those kind of countries sitting together and negotiating, then examining their own war material that is where the problem is. But problem is all the big countries, which could have influenced other countries for peace are the war arm merchant. So they want to find a space, where they want to sell their arms.
YB：嗯，像联合国那样的沟通，那些国家坐在一起谈判，然后检查他们自己的战争物资，问题就出在那里。但问题是，所有那些本可以影响其他国家走向和平的大国，都是战争武器的商人。所以他们想找一个空间，好把武器卖出去。
Interviewer: During the time of National disaster people had withdrawn from 3HO because of the stability in presence of our ashram communities, how can our people best help these people?
采访者：在国家灾难期间，人们因为我们的灵修社区存在带来的稳定而退出了 3HO，我们的人怎样才能最好地帮助这些人？
YB: We have a faculty to organize people, we have a inborn faculty of leadership, and at that time all people will need safety and we can provide that rout, that's all we become the leader for.
YB：我们有组织人的能力，我们有天生的领导才能，到那时所有人都需要安全，而我们可以提供那条路，我们就为此成为领导者，仅此而已。
Interviewer: How should we prepare ourselves to take on our responsibilities?
采访者：我们该如何准备自己，去承担起我们的责任？
and we can provide that rout, that's all we become the leader for.
而我们可以提供那条路，我们就为此成为领导者，仅此而已。
Interviewer: How should we prepare ourselves to take on our responsibilities?
采访者：我们该如何准备自己，去承担起我们的责任？
YB: I think we should, we should try to learn more, discipline ourself more, communicate ourself more and not get swayed away by pressures but face the pressure and learn how to combat a pressure and find a way through. Success lies in our technology, we should use it and not flunk it here and there once a while and if we become regular disciplined soldiers, we will become disciplined saints and that's our path. That's it!
YB：我认为我们应该，我们应该努力多学习，多约束自己，多沟通自己，不要被压力左右，而要面对压力，学会如何对抗压力，找到一条穿过去的路。成功就在我们的技术里，我们应该用它，不要时不时地这里那里把它荒废掉，如果我们成为有纪律的士兵，我们就会成为有纪律的圣人，那就是我们的道路。就是这样！
Interviewer: One more question.
采访者：还有一个问题。
YB: What is that?
YB：那是什么？
Interviewer: Do you envision the people in 3HO might have to evacuate Guru Ram Das Puri in the next few years?
采访者：你预见到 3HO 的人在未来几年里可能不得不撤离 Guru Ram Das Puri 吗？
YB: I am not saying they have to, I say if we have to.
YB：我不是说他们必须，我是说如果我们必须。
Interviewer: If we have to!
采访者：如果我们必须！
YB: If we have to, then at least we will be honest to be ready.
YB：如果我们必须，那至少我们会诚实地做好准备。
Interviewer: Well, that's the preparation...
采访者：嗯，那就是准备……
YB: That's what I am saying people should pay Dasvandh, so that we can have jointly by the community effort make schools, make shelters, make bump proof, made radiant proof, radiation proof shelters and all those kind of things. So, if we have to, then we have it.
YB：这就是我说的，人们应该交 Dasvandh，这样我们就能靠社区共同努力，一起建学校、建庇护所、建防撞的、防辐射的、防辐射的庇护所，以及所有这类东西。所以，如果我们必须，我们就有了。
make shelters, make bump proof, made radiant proof, radiation proof shelters and all those kind of things. So, if we have to, then we have it.
建庇护所、建防撞的、防辐射的、防辐射的庇护所，以及所有这类东西。所以，如果我们必须，我们就有了。
Interviewer: What about our communities overseas in Europe and the far east?
采访者：那我们在欧洲和远东的海外社区呢？
YB: We, we are planning all, we are not very open about it but we are planning enough to get to everybody, we are not going to let everybody be abandoned or feel rejected up. You know our objects are clear.
YB：我们，我们都在计划，我们对此不太公开，但我们在计划足够多的事，好照顾到每一个人，我们不会让任何人被抛弃或感到被拒绝。你知道，我们的目标是清楚的。
Interviewer: Aah one last question, with the advent of Right Wing fanatical Christian organizations such as (?) a small majority. Is religious freedom in America in danger?
采访者：啊，最后一个问题，随着右翼狂热的基督教组织的出现，比如（？）一小部分多数。美国的宗教自由有危险吗？
YB: I don't think so, I think these are fads, it's a way to get political power from the innocent or ignorant people. In America there has always have been fanatics. So, bottle them in any label doesn't mean anything.
YB：我不这么认为，我觉得这些是风潮，是一种从无辜或无知的人那里获取政治权力的方式。在美国一直都有狂热分子。所以，给他们贴上任何标签都没有意义。
Interviewer: Okay, what should people be doing to protect their rights in situations like that?
采访者：好的，在那种情况下，人们应该怎么做来保护自己的权利？
YB: To live to higher consciousness, nobody is going to take away your right.
YB：活出更高的意识，没有人能夺走你的权利。
Interviewer: What advice you have for America that has moved into 1980's?
采访者：对于已经进入 1980 年代的美国，你有什么建议？
YB: Be careful!
YB：小心！
Interviewer: Okay, thank you.
采访者：好的，谢谢。