疗愈师谈——营养咨询与疗法

There is a x-amount of energy, there is a x-amount of time, the energy has to be spread through that time to live, but when we do not know that we are always in a position either to accommodate ourselves with nicotine, that is called smoking, with coffee same thing, with alcohol same thing, and then it is not satisfactory we go on to higher drugs and there can be drugs like PCP, is that true?

有 x 量的能量，有 x 量的时间，能量必须在这段时间里铺展开来才能活下去，但当我们不知道这一点时，我们总是处在一种状态里，要么用尼古丁来安顿自己，那叫吸烟，用咖啡也一样，用酒精也一样，然后还不满足，我们就转向更高级的毒品，可能有像 PCP 这样的毒品，是不是？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

with alcohol same thing, and then it is not satisfactory we go on to higher drugs and there can be drugs like PCP, is that true?

用酒精也一样，然后还不满足，我们就转向更高级的毒品，可能有像 PCP 这样的毒品，是不是？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Which you cannot come out of damage, it doesn't matter how many therapies you do. You cannot come out of the damage by Marijuana, doesn't matter what you intend to do by ordinary method.

YB：那种损伤你出不来，你做多少疗愈都没用。大麻造成的损伤你出不来，你想用普通方法做什么都没用。

When I came to United States I saw the state of people and their justification for ruining their lives I call it, and I started working. We didn't have a grant, we didn't have anything, we started our centers, we started helping people, and we said one thing, "If food is unfulfilling then person needs something else for fulfilling. " So if we can change the food and give them the potential strength they will be all right. So we ran experiments, experiment came in Washington post where we were successful, every paper in the country carry our stories of success.

我来到美国的时候，看到了人们的状态，还有他们为自己毁掉人生找的理由——我是这么称呼它的——然后我就开始行动了。我们没有补助金，什么都没有，我们开办了自己的中心，开始帮助人们，我们说了一件事：「如果食物无法让人满足，那这个人就需要别的东西来满足自己。」所以，如果我们能改变食物，给他们潜在的力量，他们就会好起来。于是我们做了实验，实验登上了《华盛顿邮报》，我们成功了，全国每一份报纸都刊登了我们成功的报道。

Tucson is our resident center where we concentrate on it, but we believe all disease come to you, dis-ease uneasiness of life comes to you from lack of good food, all diseases can go away from the good food.

图森是我们的常驻中心，我们在那里集中做这件事，但我们相信，所有的疾病都会找上你，生活里的不适、不安，都是因为缺少好的食物才找上你，所有的疾病都能靠好的食物离开你。

but we believe all disease come to you, dis-ease uneasiness of life comes to you from lack of good food, all diseases can go away from the good food.

但我们相信，所有的疾病都会找上你，生活里的不适、不安，都是因为缺少好的食物才找上你，所有的疾病都能靠好的食物离开你。

As far as drug taking is concerned you can be a potential for a drug deduction when you are three year old. You can be totally graduate in it when you are seven year old and you can be very sure what you will be doing when you are eleven year old, it depends upon how you have been nursed.

就吸毒而言，你 3 岁的时候就可能埋下吸毒的种子。你 7 岁的时候可能已经完全入门，你 11 岁的时候就能非常确定自己将来会干什么，这取决于你小时候是怎么被养育的。

So actually drug addiction is not with children it is with parents, it is the lack of the parent care, lack of parent's love which create drug addicts. Nobody is willing accept it even in this conference it is ridiculous to talk like that, because all of you are parents, who want to listen about his own faults. But the fact of the matter is what is a drug? Going into something to fulfill one's own inner emptiness. There is nothing just spacing out, not facing the reality, it means we don't have guts, we don't have stamina, we don't have education, we don't have strength, and then we get strength from outside. When inside strength is not available you have to do something.

所以实际上，毒瘾不在孩子身上，而在父母身上，是父母照顾的缺失、父母爱的缺失造就了吸毒者。没有人愿意承认这一点，就算在这个会议上，那样说话也是荒唐的，因为你们都是父母，谁愿意听别人讲自己的过错呢。但事实是，什么是毒品？就是钻进某样东西里，去填补自己内在的空虚。那里什么都没有，只是神游天外，不面对现实，这意味着我们没有胆量，没有耐力，没有教养，没有力量，然后我们从外面去获取力量。当内在的力量没有的时候，你就必须做点什么。

don't have education, we don't have strength, and then we get strength from outside. When inside strength is not available you have to do something.

没有教养，没有力量，然后我们从外面去获取力量。当内在的力量没有的时候，你就必须做点什么。

I have seen in Hollywood people very successful, they are all addicted to drugs. I have seen very high officers in the corporations and all that, they are all drug addicts. Simply because they are rich and they have authority they are not labeled. And people who are not rich and authoritative are being pushed around for this abuse, are being sentenced, are being prosecuted with the sense that sometime it is very vindictive.

我在好莱坞见过非常成功的人，他们全都吸毒成瘾。我见过大公司里的高级主管之类的人，他们全都是瘾君子。只因为他们有钱、有权力，就没有被贴上标签。而那些没有钱、没有权力的人，却因为这种滥用被推来推去，被判刑，被起诉，那种感觉有时候非常报复性。

I am very grateful to our neurotic president Reagan, he has come out on the scene 'I am going to eliminate drugs,' neither the price has gone down nor the quality has gone down, what elimination? It's a showbiz, show on the TV, tell people, and waste one vice-president kind of Bush to do something. But nobody wants to work authentically.

我非常感激我们那位神经质的总统里根，他站出来说「我要消灭毒品」，结果价格没降，质量也没降，消灭什么了？那是作秀，在电视上演一出，告诉人们，还浪费一个副总统那样的布什去做点什么。可没有人愿意真刀真枪地干。

It's a showbiz, show on the TV, tell people, and waste one vice-president kind of Bush to do something. But nobody wants to work authentically. At the Nixon time, in the early Nixon time pain was felt very bad, then something practical started and America woke up to the fact, America is a pill country, drug is in their genes, there is in their bones, their parents take drugs, their grandparents took it, they can't go away right away, they see mama and papa popping pills, who can stop them.

那是作秀，在电视上演一出，告诉人们，还浪费一个副总统那样的布什去做点什么。可没有人愿意真刀真枪地干。在尼克松时代，尼克松执政早期，那种痛被感受得非常厉害，然后一些实际的事才开始做，美国才醒过来，看清一个事实：美国是个药片国家，毒品在他们的基因里，在他们的骨子里，他们的父母吃药，他们的祖父母也吃，他们没法一下子就摆脱，他们看着妈妈和爸爸一把一把地吞药片，谁能拦得住他们。

There is a lot required and there is lot many changes have to come.

需要做的很多，要发生的改变也很多。

It's very surprising one person came to me, he said, "I am not going to eat anything, but I want to get rid of this habit of mine. "

很让人吃惊，有一个人来找我，他说：「我什么都不打算吃了，但我想戒掉我这个习惯。」

have to come.

要发生的改变也很多。

It's very surprising one person came to me, he said, "I am not going to eat anything, but I want to get rid of this habit of mine. "

很让人吃惊，有一个人来找我，他说：「我什么都不打算吃了，但我想戒掉我这个习惯。」

When I saw his arms I was shocked, there was hardly any place which was not blue. Guy was three piece coat, a great executive, he was ashamed, he lost his marriage, his children ran away, his job was in danger, and he tried many rehabilitation and he was almost on the end of his disaster, he has two alternatives-either I should tell him what to do, if he can't do that he will shoot himself. I told him, "Shooting yourself will not solve the problem, you go ahead do that first and them come to me. "

我看到他的胳膊时吓了一跳，几乎找不到一块不青的地方。这人穿着三件套西装，是个大高管，他感到羞耻，他失去了婚姻，孩子跑了，工作也岌岌可危，他试过很多康复治疗，几乎走到了灾难的尽头，他有两个选择——要么我告诉他该怎么做，如果他做不到，他就开枪打死自己。我告诉他：「开枪打死自己解决不了问题，你先去干那件事，然后再来找我。」

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生们：笑声。）

He said, "No I have come you first now let us solve it. "

他说：「不，我先来找你了，现在咱们把它解决掉吧。」

I said, "Okay, you have a simple thing to do, you will live on ninety days on carrot juice and nothing else. "

我说：「好，你要做的事很简单，你靠胡萝卜汁活 90 天，别的什么都不吃。」

He said, "How can I get out of this habit? "

他说：「我怎么才能戒掉这个习惯？」

I said, "Don't hell and scream at me, it's your habit, it's your habit, not mine. I am telling you the way to get out of it, carrot, fresh carrot juice and you will enjoy it. "

我说：「别冲我大呼小叫，那是你的习惯，是你的习惯，不是我的。我是在告诉你摆脱它的办法，胡萝卜，新鲜的胡萝卜汁，你会喜欢的。」

After ninety days he came, I said, "Did you shoot? "

90 天后他来了，我说：「你开枪了吗？」

He said, "No. "

他说：「没有。」

I said, "What you did? "

我说：「你做了什么？」

carrot, fresh carrot juice and you will enjoy it. "

胡萝卜，新鲜的胡萝卜汁，你会喜欢的。

After ninety days he came, I said, "Did you shoot? "

90 天后他来了，我说：「你开枪了吗？」

He said, "No. "

他说：「没有。」

I said, "What you did? "

我说：「你做了什么？」

He said, "I popped up carrot juice one glass every time, I went into the cold turkey of it, but I am little worried. "

他说：「我每次灌一杯胡萝卜汁，我就这么硬生生地戒了，但我有点担心。」

I said, "What are you worried for? "

我说：「你担心什么？」

"I am little pale. "

“我有点脸色发白。”

I said, "You are becoming carrot, your color is doing good. "

我说：“你快变成胡萝卜了，你的气色不错。”

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

YB: Anyway he is healthy, he is happy, he has remarried, and children, and he got all his life back, but he is still carrot juice freak, I mean to say it didn't, it do lot but it didn't do much, in the morning he has to get up with a carrot juice, at breakfast there should be carrot juice, and lunch carrot juice is must, in the afternoon tea time is a carrot juice, carrots have been... I told him, I said, "Why don't you hang carrot in front of you. "

YB：总之他很健康，他很快乐，他又结婚了，有了孩子，他把整个生活都找回来了，但他还是个胡萝卜汁狂，我的意思是说它没——它做了很多，但也没做多少，早上他得靠胡萝卜汁起床，早餐得有胡萝卜汁，午餐胡萝卜汁是必须的，下午茶时间也是胡萝卜汁，胡萝卜已经……我跟他说，我说：“你干嘛不把胡萝卜挂在你面前。”

He said, "What do you mean? "

他说：“你什么意思？”

I said, "Carrot is also, you are addicting to carrot juice. Addiction is addiction. It took care of one addiction, that doesn't mean you are going to take carrot juice all your life, slow down, don't go much after it. "

我说：“胡萝卜也是，你对胡萝卜汁上瘾了。上瘾就是上瘾。它解决了一个瘾，不代表你这辈子都要喝胡萝卜汁，慢下来，别那么追着它。”

"What should I do? "

“我该怎么办？”

I said, "Start celery juice mixing with it. "

我说：“开始把芹菜汁掺进去。”

going to take carrot juice all your life, slow down, don't go much after it. "

你这辈子都要喝胡萝卜汁，慢下来，别那么追着它。”

"What should I do? "

“我该怎么办？”

I said, "Start celery juice mixing with it. "

我说：“开始把芹菜汁掺进去。”

And I knew it that he is addicted to sugar, carrot juice is sweet. So when fifty, fifty carrot juice and celery juice started coming he started calming down and he realized that really he was addicted. The problem with drugs is that when you tell somebody you are addicted, he will say, "Forget, I am not addicted, I can stop for three days, I can stop for one week. " It is not your stopping taking the drugs, it's your mental trauma, When you are even stopping you are living with it. Question is the man should have that kind of food that he...

我知道他对糖上瘾，胡萝卜汁是甜的。所以当五十对五十的胡萝卜汁和芹菜汁开始掺起来，他就开始平静下来，他意识到自己真的是上瘾了。毒品的问题在于，当你告诉一个人他上瘾了，他会说：“算了吧，我没上瘾，我能停三天，我能停一个星期。”问题不在于你停不停用毒品，而在于你的心智创伤，就算你在停的时候，你也跟它住在一起。问题是，人应该吃那种让他……

the drugs, it's your mental trauma, When you are even stopping you are living with it. Question is the man should have that kind of food that he...

毒品，是你的心智创伤，就算你在停的时候，你也跟它住在一起。问题是，人应该吃那种让他……

It is very funny, in this country it is funny for me too. I lived in India thirty-nine years, whenever I ate food I immediately went to a nap whether I like it or not. Fifteen years I came here I have never had that experience, once a while I do get and then I have to cook myself. There is something wrong, there is something wrong, the water is not with all the minerals body requires, I came with thirty-two intact teeth, I think I have left with only twenty-five or twenty-six of them, rest all gone. There is certain fundamental deficiency.

这很好笑，在这个国家，对我来说也好笑。我在印度住了三十九年，每次我吃完东西，不管我想不想，我立刻就打个盹。我来这里十五年，从来没有过那种体验，偶尔会有一次，那我就得自己做饭。有什么地方不对劲，有什么地方不对劲，水里没有身体需要的全部矿物质，我来的时候有三十二颗完好的牙，我想我现在只剩二十五六颗了，其余全没了。存在某种根本性的缺失。

You go in Vancouver you will be shocked you can take tap water and put it in your battery, it is like a distilled water, you have not to get distilled water, you might be very happy you are saving money, but actually there are lot of minerals which are in the water, which are required by the body as a fulfilling constituent.

你去温哥华会吓一跳，你可以把自来水灌进电池里，它就像蒸馏水一样，你不用去买蒸馏水，你可能很高兴自己省了钱，但其实水里有大量的矿物质，这些矿物质是身体需要的，是构成身体的一部分。

happy you are saving money, but actually there are lot of minerals which are in the water, which are required by the body as a fulfilling constituent.

很高兴你省了钱，但其实水里有大量的矿物质，这些矿物质是身体需要的，是构成身体的一部分。

There are lot of variety of foods, there are lot of foods which are required to be in different seasons, there are different season, different foods, different way to prepare, different way to eat, there is a whole science about it. What we have done in Tucson,

食物有很多种类，很多食物是需要在不同季节吃的，不同的季节，不同的食物，不同的做法，不同的吃法，这背后有一整套科学。我们在图森所做的，

(Class clapping.)

（全班鼓掌。）

We get, we call them clients, we change their diet, we give them the exercise habits, we inspire them, we do give them some counseling and mostly we rely on their own self help. I am not saying the result is hundred percent, but I am willing to say for the time they recognize the fact they want to get it out, result is two hundred percent.

我们接收他们，我们称他们为客户，我们改变他们的饮食，我们给他们运动习惯，我们激励他们，我们确实给他们一些咨询，而大多数时候我们依靠他们自助。我不是说结果百分之百，但我愿意说，在他们认识到自己想摆脱它的那段时间里，结果是百分之二百。

It is the pressure of the outside community when they go and face the outside community they lack the support and they get to the emptiness of life again and about ten percent out of them become the victims of this, but to be very honest with you today, I feel as the world is as old it is so is the drug problem and it shall continue, there is no reason to get out of it.

是外面社区的压力，当他们出去面对外面的社区时，他们缺乏支持，又陷入生命的空虚，其中大约百分之十的人会成为这件事的受害者，但今天跟你们说实话，我觉得世界有多古老，毒品问题就有多古老，它会继续下去，没有理由摆脱它。

be very honest with you today, I feel as the world is as old it is so is the drug problem and it shall continue, there is no reason to get out of it.

今天跟你们说实话，我觉得世界有多古老，毒品问题就有多古老，它会继续下去，没有理由摆脱它。

So long the human has not learned to use his and her resources to have a fulfilled competent life, drug shall be the way. I don't see any immediate cause of it and I don't see any way to put a person in lower the esteem of that person so and so addict, so and so is addicted, so and so is not good. Actually to me drug addiction when gets out of control it is where the call of the man to save himself comes to the humanity. And those who believe in compassion, service, will always be available and do it. And those who will do it will be the people who understand that they have time for others and they will like to live for others.

只要人类还没学会用自己的资源去过一种充实而胜任的生活，毒品就会是一条出路。我看不到它有任何立刻消失的原因，我也看不到有任何办法把一个人贬低成某某成瘾者、某某上了瘾、某某不好。其实对我来说，毒品成瘾一旦失控，那就是人类向人性发出的自救呼求。那些相信慈悲、服务的人，总会站出来去做。而去做的人，会是那些明白自己有时间给别人、愿意为别人而活的人。

It's my conviction that man can live free of drugs all the time, any time, but one has to chose for himself.

我确信，人可以在任何时候、一直远离毒品而活，但一个人必须自己做出选择。

Student: My next speaker I like to introduce doctor, Donald (?) Ph. D. director of educational training programs nutrition information systems.

学生：接下来这位演讲者，我想介绍唐纳德（？）博士，他是教育培训项目、营养信息系统的主任。

My next speaker I like to introduce doctor, Donald (?) Ph. D. director of educational training programs nutrition information systems.

接下来这位演讲者，我想介绍唐纳德（？）博士，他是教育培训项目、营养信息系统的主任。

Dr. Donald (?): Thank you, before I go I would like to get a sense of who I am talking to. And I would like to just find out how many of you are treatment people in some sense worked in some treatment center, most of you; counselor, how many of you are counselors? What else do we have, any medical people, psychologist, nurses, what else is there?

唐纳德（？）博士：谢谢，开始之前我想先了解一下我在跟谁讲话。我想知道你们当中有多少人算是做治疗工作的，在某个治疗中心工作过，大多数都是；咨询师，有多少人是咨询师？还有什么人，有医疗人员、心理学家、护士吗，还有别的吗？

Student: Administrator.

学生：管理者。

Dr. Donald (?): Administrators here, okay. Very quickly my background is a fairly strange one that I have in some way brought together to focus on these issues relating to nutrition. It covers chemistry, and education, nutrition, I am a systems analyst who came out of the computer field and I have also been very involved in the field of human rights and community organizing. So you see with a background like that I am an expert in nothing.

唐纳德（？）博士：这里有管理者，好。简单说一下，我的背景相当奇特，我算是把它拼凑起来，聚焦在这些跟营养有关的问题上。它涵盖化学、教育、营养，我是个系统分析师，从计算机领域出来的，我也一直深度参与人权和社区组织的工作。所以你看，这样的背景让我什么都算不上专家。

have also been very involved in the field of human rights and community organizing. So you see with a background like that I am an expert in nothing.

我也一直深度参与人权和社区组织的工作。所以你看，这样的背景让我什么都算不上专家。

My primary interest is in the effect of nutrition on behavior more specifically, the effect of nutrition on the way the brain functions. The kinds of behaviors that I am in interested in dealing with through nutrition are not only addictive behavior, alcoholic behavior, so called hyperactive behavior in children, schizophrenic behavior, juvenile delinquent behavior, anti-social behavior, and violence. And what we are getting to do is find as we look at new models, many dietary and nutritional variables that are determinants of those kinds of behavior. So it's an issue both with prevention and with treatment.

我主要感兴趣的是营养对行为的影响，更具体地说，是营养对大脑运作方式的影响。我想通过营养来处理的行为，不只是成瘾行为、酗酒行为、孩子所谓的多动行为、精神分裂行为、青少年犯罪行为、反社会行为，还有暴力。我们正在做的是，在研究新模型的过程中，发现许多饮食和营养变量正是这些行为的决定因素。所以它既关乎预防，也关乎治疗。

many dietary and nutritional variables that are determinants of those kinds of behavior. So it's an issue both with prevention and with treatment.

许多饮食和营养变量正是这些行为的决定因素。所以它既关乎预防，也关乎治疗。

Now there isn't much of a name for what we do at this point, it's very much on the leading edge, we are developing in a sense new paradigms or new models for the relationship between diet and nutrition variables in behavior. I like to refer to the field as psycho nutrition. I am also involved in stress management, and therefore in the relationship between diet and stress as mediators are the kinds of the behaviors we are talking about. There are couple of basic terms that you hear (?) associated with this and I would like just clarify because there is a lot of confusion about them-one is the term wellness; now why do we use a term like wellness?

现在我们做的这件事，还没有什么像样的名字，它非常前沿，可以说我们正在发展新的范式或新的模型，来处理饮食与营养变量跟行为之间的关系。我喜欢把这个领域叫做心理营养学。我也在做压力管理，因此也关注饮食与压力之间的关系，而它们之间的中介，正是我们所说的那些行为。有几个基本术语你会听到跟这个领域相关，我想稍微澄清一下，因为人们对它们有很多混淆——一个是「健康」（wellness）这个词；我们为什么要用「健康」这样的词呢？

this and I would like just clarify because there is a lot of confusion about them-one is the term wellness; now why do we use a term like wellness?

我想稍微澄清一下，因为人们对它们有很多混淆——一个是「健康」（wellness）这个词；我们为什么要用「健康」这样的词呢？

It's a fashionable term to put an emphasis on the fact we use that instead of help to put an emphasis on the fact that health is something more than just the absence of disease and it is also to dispel the myth that one becomes a victim of disease. One of the difficulties I have with the disease concept of alcoholism although I do believe in it and support it, is that, it does not empower, it does not empower, the major deficit in that concept is that it leaves one with the sense of relative helplessness.

这是个时髦的词，用它代替「帮助」，是为了强调一个事实：健康不只是没有病，也是为了破除一个迷思，就是人会成为疾病的受害者。我对酗酒的疾病概念有一个难处，虽然我相信它、支持它，但它不能赋予人力量，它不能赋予人力量，这个概念最大的缺陷在于，它让人有一种相对无助的感觉。

The other terms is holistic that you hear and holistic is a very confusing term too, and my way of understanding is holistic is another way of saying systems, which is another way of saying interconnected, and that is the, I think the one best word that is a synonym to holistic interconnected. If we were to talk about it in a spiritual way we would talk about consciousness, awareness, sense of relationship to everything.

另一个术语是「整体」（holistic），你也会听到，整体这个词也很让人困惑，而我的理解方式是，整体就是换一种说法讲系统，也就是换一种说法讲相互关联，我认为跟整体同义的最好的一个词，就是相互关联。如果我们从灵性的角度来谈它，我们会谈意识、觉知、跟万事万物都有关系的感觉。

interconnected. If we were to talk about it in a spiritual way we would talk about consciousness, awareness, sense of relationship to everything.

相互关联。如果我们从灵性的角度来谈它，我们会谈意识、觉知、跟万事万物都有关系的感觉。

So the word holistic simply means that we look at things as being interconnected and it has implications with respect to drug addiction. The model that is most prevalent with drug addiction, the etiology that is the cause and effect relationships in drug addiction is the psychosocial model which you know. And this looks as at psychological and sociological determinants of drug addiction and alcoholism as well as other kinds of behavior such as various mental health problems.

所以整体这个词的意思很简单，就是我们看待事物时，把它们看作相互关联的，这对毒品成瘾也有意义。毒品成瘾最流行的模型，毒品成瘾的病因学，也就是其中的因果关系，是你知道的心理社会模型。它把毒品成瘾和酗酒，以及各种心理健康问题等其他行为，都看作由心理和社会因素决定。

What we do is look at the other half of the environment and otherwise we look at the biochemical environment, the psychosocial environment is important but we are finding that we in so focusing or ignoring the other half of the world which is the biochemical environment and especially I am talking about the food we eat, the toxins and allergens we are exposed to and the drugs that we take. The biggest problem is the legal drugs. Food, toxins, and drugs represent the biochemical environments.

我们要做的，是去看环境的另一半；否则我们只看生化环境。心理社会环境很重要，但我们发现，我们如此专注或忽略了世界的另一半，也就是生化环境，尤其是我在说的我们吃的食物、我们接触的毒素和过敏原，以及我们服用的药物。最大的问题是合法药物。食物、毒素和药物代表了生化环境。

we are exposed to and the drugs that we take. The biggest problem is the legal drugs. Food, toxins, and drugs represent the biochemical environments.

我们接触的毒素和过敏原，以及我们服用的药物。最大的问题是合法药物。食物、毒素和药物代表了生化环境。

Now the central question here is when we look at this biochemical environments what is the effect of this biochemical environment with respect to the onset of addiction. The onset as you move from a so called pre-alcoholic, pre-addicted state through the various stages to the state where you become addicted, clinically diagnosed alcoholic or drug addict.

现在这里的核心问题是，当我们看这个生化环境时，这个生化环境对成瘾的发生有什么影响。发生，就是你从所谓的前酗酒、前成瘾状态，经过各个阶段，走到你成瘾、被临床诊断为酗酒者或吸毒者的状态。

The other question is, what is the effect of these variables nutrition, food, drugs, toxins on recovery. In the recovery stage I introduced a concept that I call high level recovery and I steal this directly from Donald (?) (?) who has written a book entitled 'High level wellness,' where he talks about the various components of wellness. The wellness movement for a reason, many reasons that I am both familiar with and puzzled about has not been introduced into the treatment field. And therapist, treatment specialist have for some reason, not embraced, not looked seriously at the concept of wellness.

另一个问题是，这些变量——营养、食物、药物、毒素——对康复有什么影响。在康复阶段，我引入了一个概念，我把它叫做高层次康复，我直接从 Donald（？）（？）那里拿来，他写了一本书叫《高层次健康》，里面谈到健康的各个组成部分。健康运动出于一个原因，出于许多我既熟悉又困惑的原因，一直没有被引入治疗领域。而治疗师、治疗专家出于某种原因，没有拥抱、没有认真看待健康这个概念。

into the treatment field. And therapist, treatment specialist have for some reason, not embraced, not looked seriously at the concept of wellness.

引入治疗领域。而治疗师、治疗专家出于某种原因，没有拥抱、没有认真看待健康这个概念。

Particularly the various components of wellness that are most tangible for example nutrition stress management and exercise.

尤其是健康中那些最实在的组成部分，比如营养、压力管理和运动。

There are many components to wellness, we focus on nutrition and stress management, because we think those are the ones easiest to teach, the ones we can most easily translate, the ones that make the most sensitive people, and the ones that we can most easily do.

健康有许多组成部分，我们专注于营养和压力管理，因为我们认为这些是最容易教的，是我们最容易转化的，是最能触动敏感的人的，也是我们最容易做到的。

The term high level recovery is really a term that I use as a contrast to what most of you in the treatment field see very often that I call a low level recovery if you are dealing with the filed of alcoholism, it is a recovery discovered to as by the so called dry drunk syndrome which I understand some of you are not familiar with, is generally used to describe hangovers that occur when you (?) without a drink, it's the condition that describes sobriety, a person is sober or drug free but not well, not healthy, not functioning.

「高水平康复」这个词，其实是我用来对比你们在治疗领域里最常看到的那种情况的，我把它叫作「低水平康复」。如果你做的是酒精成瘾这一行，那就是一种所谓的「干醉综合征」所揭示的康复状态——我知道你们有些人不太熟悉这个词，它一般用来描述当你（？）不喝酒时出现的宿醉反应，它描述的是这样一种清醒状态：一个人戒了酒、戒了毒，但身体不好，不健康，功能不正常。

when you (?) without a drink, it's the condition that describes sobriety, a person is sober or drug free but not well, not healthy, not functioning.

当你（？）不喝酒时，它描述的是这样一种清醒状态：一个人戒了酒、戒了毒，但身体不好，不健康，功能不正常。

It's characterized by emotional ups and downs, mood swings of personality, a deficit personality swings, moodiness, anxiety, irritability very low physical health profiles etcetera, high level of proneness to various kinds of disease and illness, physical, mental, and emotional.

它的特征是情绪起伏不定、人格层面的情绪波动、人格缺陷带来的波动、喜怒无常、焦虑、易怒、身体健康指标极低等等，对各种疾病和病症——身体的、心理的、情绪的——都极其易感。

So we look at prevention and we look at treatment. In treatment high level recovery is not so much in absolute state as it is a direction, it's a place to go, it's a way of embracing the concept of wellness in treatment. In other words, there is more we can do than just being sober or drug-free and how do we do it? How do we develop prevention programs around the idea that biochemical variables are important in the functioning of the brain? I go back to the question of the etiology –oh let's look at the onset question of here that we are looking at what's going on as we go through the stage of becoming addicted.

所以我们既看预防，也看治疗。在治疗里，高水平康复与其说是一种绝对状态，不如说是一个方向，是一个要去的地方，是一种在治疗中拥抱健康这个概念的方式。换句话说，我们能做的，远不止让人戒酒戒毒而已。那要怎么做？我们怎么围绕「生化变量对大脑运作很重要」这个想法来发展预防项目？我又回到病因学这个问题上——哦，我们来看看发作这个问题，看看在一步步走向成瘾的过程中，到底发生了什么。

(Class clapping.)

（课堂鼓掌。）

let's look at the onset question of here that we are looking at what's going on as we go through the stage of becoming addicted.

我们来看看发作这个问题，看看在一步步走向成瘾的过程中，到底发生了什么。

(Class clapping.)

（课堂鼓掌。）

All hyperactive (?) it's all the same issue basically. When you look at the normal cause and effect relationships and drug addictions we normally talk about the psychological variables, sociological variables, the person has sexual problems, the person has feelings of inadequacy, personality difficulties, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Pure relationship difficulties and so on, we talk about all these kinds of things in a typical drug addiction.

全都是过度活跃（？），基本上都是同一个问题。当你看药物成瘾里正常的因果关係时，我们通常谈的是心理变量、社会变量——这个人有性问题，这个人有自卑感，有人格障碍，等等等等等等。纯粹的人际关係困难之类的，在典型的药物成瘾里，我们谈的就是这些东西。

The emotional difficulty is the difficulties relating to other people are not prime, they are not primary, in other words, we talk about these as if they come from nowhere.

情绪上的困难、与人相处的困难，并不是首要的，并不是第一位的。换句话说，我们谈这些东西的时候，好像它们是从天上掉下来的一样。

is the difficulties relating to other people are not prime, they are not primary, in other words, we talk about these as if they come from nowhere.

与他人有关的困难并不是首要的，它们不是第一位的，换句话说，我们谈论这些困难时，就好像它们不知从何而来。

When we look at the biochemical model what we are saying is those emotional states that tend to be characteristic of an addictive personality or characteristic of the conditions that lead one to become addicted or alcoholic, or crazy, or schizophrenic, whatever you have are themselves very much related to dietary and nutritional variables, in other words the food we eat, the toxic drugs we are exposed to are determinants of those mental states that can cause us to have psychological difficulties and sociological difficulties, emotional swings, mood swings, etcetera.

当我们看生化模型时，我们要说的是，那些往往成为成瘾人格特征的情绪状态，或者成为导致一个人成瘾、酗酒、发疯、精神分裂等等状况特征的情绪状态，它们本身就与饮食和营养变量密切相关，换句话说，我们吃的食物、我们接触的有毒药物，是那些心理状态的决定因素，而这些心理状态会导致我们出现心理困难和社会困难、情绪波动、心情起伏等等。

of those mental states that can cause us to have psychological difficulties and sociological difficulties, emotional swings, mood swings, etcetera.

那些心理状态会导致我们出现心理困难和社会困难、情绪波动、心情起伏等等。

The brain is the primary organ in question. We don't discuss the brain out of the context of the whole body but we focus on the brain as being the most fragile organ in the body and the one that most critically depends on diet and nutrition. The brain is responsible for not only emotional states but it is responsible for cognition, that is processing information, accepting information, it's, it's responsible for perception. When we talk about interpersonal relationships as a function of nutrition, what we are talking about is the fact that the way we perceive things around us is again very highly determined by one's metabolic nutritional state in the brain.

大脑是这里涉及的主要器官。我们不是在脱离整个身体的语境下讨论大脑，但我们把焦点放在大脑上，因为它是身体里最脆弱的器官，也是最关键地依赖饮食和营养的器官。大脑不仅负责情绪状态，它还负责认知，也就是处理信息、接收信息，它，它还负责感知。当我们把人际关系当作营养的一项功能来谈时，我们谈的其实是这样一个事实：我们感知周围事物的方式，同样高度取决于一个人在头脑中的代谢营养状态。

talking about is the fact that the way we perceive things around us is again very highly determined by one's metabolic nutritional state in the brain.

我们谈的其实是这样一个事实：我们感知周围事物的方式，同样高度取决于一个人在头脑中的代谢营养状态。

Those aspects of perception the way we see, the way we hear, the way the taste, touch, smell, in other words, the way we receive information in total is not independent of the state of the brain and the state of the brain is not independent of what you had for breakfast, or what you ate yesterday, or what you have been eating for the last five years or ten years, and the way your mother ate during the nine prenatal months and in fact, the way she ate even before conception is a variable and your father as well.

感知的那些面向，我们看的方式、听的方式、尝、触、闻的方式，换句话说，我们接收信息的整体方式，并不是独立于大脑状态的，而大脑状态也不是独立于你早餐吃了什么、你昨天吃了什么、你过去五年或十年一直在吃什么，还有你母亲在产前九个月里怎么吃，事实上，她在受孕之前怎么吃也是一个变量，你父亲也一样。

and the way your mother ate during the nine prenatal months and in fact, the way she ate even before conception is a variable and your father as well.

还有你母亲在产前九个月里怎么吃，事实上，她在受孕之前怎么吃也是一个变量，你父亲也一样。

So we are talking about these emotional states that are characteristic of the things that lead to addiction or mental health problems, we are talking about these things that can be controlled. And as we look more and more at the chemical environment we find that more and more of these things are related in a more and more direct way to biochemical variables. I give you some examples very quickly; you know, twenty minutes is, is a hell of a short time to present an entire new concept, but I will give you a smattering and obviously we will have some time for questions, one of our speakers is not here, and in the sense that we, I think little extra time... for both of us.

所以我们谈的是这些情绪状态，它们是那些导致成瘾或心理健康问题的东西的特征，我们谈的是这些可以被控制的东西。当我们越来越深入地观察化学环境，就发现越来越多这类东西，以越来越直接的方式与生化变量相关。我很快给你们举几个例子；你知道，二十分钟，要讲一整个新概念，时间短得要命，但我会给你们讲一点皮毛，显然我们会有时间提问，我们有一位讲者没来，从某种意义上说，我想我们俩……都能多出一点时间。

YB: (?) time go ahead.

YB：（？）时间，继续吧。

Doctor: Thank you.

医生：谢谢。

YB: What are you waiting for?

YB：你还在等什么？

Doctor: I was just...

医生：我只是……

YB: It's a very captured audience.

YB：这可是很专注的听众。

Doctor: Thank you, I will finish this off.

医生：谢谢，我把这个讲完。

Thank you.

谢谢。

YB: What are you waiting for?

YB：你还在等什么？

Doctor: I was just...

医生：我只是……

YB: It's a very captured audience.

YB：这可是很专注的听众。

Doctor: Thank you, I will finish this off.

医生：谢谢，我把这个讲完。

We, also in three ways that nutrition and diet are connected to emotional and mental behavioral states. One is the related to a concept known as biochemical individuality or genetically determined nutritional deficiencies or genetically determined biochemical deficiencies. In other words, we are not always same, we are not even close and most of the standard nutritional programs make the assumption that we are roughly the same, in other words, that the average diet provides adequate nutrition for most of our needs; can't be true, it's nonsense, it's farthest thing from the true.

我们，也从三个方面来看营养和饮食如何与情绪及心理行为状态相连。一个与一个叫作生化个体性的概念有关，也就是由基因决定的营养缺乏，或由基因决定的生化缺乏。换句话说，我们并不总是一样，我们甚至差得很远，而大多数标准营养方案都假设我们大致相同，换句话说，假设普通饮食能为我们的多数需要提供足够营养；这不可能是真的，这是胡说，离真相最远。

We are biochemically very different, this means that some of us are born with the need for may be a hundred or even a thousand times more of some particular nutrient than another person or enzyme or something else. And the person who eats the average diet, you may eat the average diet and it will satisfy you, you may eat the average diet and you will be a hundred times deficient compared to this person, depending on your inherited biochemistry.

我们在生化上非常不同，这意味着我们中有些人天生就需要某种特定营养素，可能是另一个人的一百倍甚至一千倍，或者是某种酶或别的什么。而吃普通饮食的人，你可能吃普通饮食就满足了，你可能吃普通饮食，却和这个人相比缺了一百倍，这取决于你继承来的生化特质。

satisfy you, you may eat the average diet and you will be a hundred times deficient compared to this person, depending on your inherited biochemistry.

满足你，你可能吃普通饮食，却和这个人相比缺了一百倍，这取决于你继承来的生化特质。

So the idea is that we use this notion of mega vitamin therapy which is a subset of a field known as orthomolecular medicine, that simply says we have got to find a way to give the right amounts of nutrients into the body to satisfy those nutritionally determined deficiencies or genetically determined deficiencies. You may have to take high amounts of vitamin C, high amounts of certain B vitamins, high amounts of certain minerals, and I am not suggesting it is the replacement for food and I am not suggesting that nutrition is the entire answer, but it's the major missing piece in my opinion.

所以这个思路是，我们采用「超级维生素疗法」这个概念，它属于一个叫「正分子医学」的领域，说白了就是：我们必须找到办法，把适量的营养素送进身体，去补足那些由营养决定的、或由基因决定的缺乏。你可能得吃大剂量的维生素 C、大剂量的某些 B 族维生素、大剂量的某些矿物质。我不是说它能替代食物，也不是说营养就是全部的答案，但在我看来，它是那块最主要缺失的拼图。

So the orthomolecular approach, the mega vitamin approach is one determinant, one way of associating nutrition with behavior. Deficiencies in the B vitamins for example very characteristically produce anxiety, loss of memory, depression, irritability, mood swings, and the whole host of other emotional and mental difficulties as well as physical.

所以正分子的路子、超级维生素的路子，是一个决定因素，是把营养和行为联系起来的一种方式。比如说 B 族维生素缺乏，非常典型地会带来焦虑、记忆力减退、抑郁、易怒、情绪起伏，还有一大堆其他情绪上、心理上以及身体上的问题。

anxiety, loss of memory, depression, irritability, mood swings, and the whole host of other emotional and mental difficulties as well as physical.

焦虑、记忆力减退、抑郁、易怒、情绪起伏，还有一大堆其他情绪上、心理上以及身体上的问题。

Blood sugar: Instabilities in blood sugar are another major nutritional area that affects the way the brain functions. The brain is the most critical organ in the body when it comes to blood sugar. Blood sugar levels ultimately determine how good you feel.

血糖：血糖的不稳定是另一个影响大脑运作的主要营养领域。说到血糖，大脑是身体里最关键的器官。血糖水平最终决定你感觉有多好。

And we are consuming sugar in this country which tends to produce these blood sugar fluctuations, it tends to be a major factor in the onset, sugar is a major stress to the body, we are eating a hundred and thirty pounds per person per year, that means forty-two teaspoons per person per day, that's average consumption, that means that we find children very easily who are eating a hundred teaspoons of sugar a day and that wouldn't even be so bad if they didn't (?) the amount (?) as the average adult, (?) we are finding kids were eating forty-two teaspoons a day, who only weigh sixty pounds and you add that to the fact that they are not consuming real food to any degree that might offset that.

而我们在美国吃的糖，往往就会造成这种血糖的起伏，它往往是发病的一个主要因素，糖对身体是很大的压力，我们每人每年吃 130 磅，也就是说每人每天 42 茶匙，这是平均消费量，也就是说我们很容易就找到每天吃 100 茶匙糖的孩子，而这还不算太糟，只要他们不像普通成年人那样（？）那个量（？），我们发现有些孩子每天吃 42 茶匙，体重却只有 60 磅，再加上他们几乎不吃什么真正的食物来抵消这一点。

teaspoons a day, who only weigh sixty pounds and you add that to the fact that they are not consuming real food to any degree that might offset that.

每天吃 42 茶匙，体重却只有 60 磅，再加上他们几乎不吃什么真正的食物来抵消这一点。

So blood sugar fluctuations are major determinants of emotional states as well and mental state, and physical as well. There are some two hundred mental, physical, and emotional symptoms associated with what we normally call hypoglycemia, I don't like to use that term, it's little bit inaccurate and it's a little bit (?), but blood sugar fluctuations which involves the entire endocrine system is what I am talking about; the pancreas, the adrenals glands, pituitary, the thyroid, the hypothalamus, the appetite, emotional controls (?) in the back of the brain, so all of those are involved.

所以血糖波动也是情绪状态的主要决定因素，同时也是心智状态和身体状态的主要决定因素。大约有两百种精神、身体和情绪症状，与我们通常所说的低血糖有关，我不喜欢用这个词，它有点不准确，也有点（？），但我说的是血糖波动，它牵涉整个内分泌系统；胰腺、肾上腺、脑垂体、甲状腺、下丘脑、食欲、大脑后部的情绪控制（？），所以这些都牵涉在内。

glands, pituitary, the thyroid, the hypothalamus, the appetite, emotional controls (?) in the back of the brain, so all of those are involved.

腺体、脑垂体、甲状腺、下丘脑、食欲、大脑后部的情绪控制（？），所以这些都牵涉在内。

The other area is what I call brain allergies, central nervous system allergies; it's very curious that alcoholics who are allergic to bourbon for example are also allergic to the things from which bourbon is made, namely corn is one of the most common. And if you are allergic to something, you very often are addicted to it. So that the whole issue of eating disorders is very much related to drinking disorders, and drug disorders, and we see that the allergy addiction connection is a big factor again in the brain functioning.

另一个领域是我所说的脑过敏，中枢神经系统过敏；非常奇怪的是，对波本威士忌过敏的酗酒者，例如，也对酿造波本威士忌所用的东西过敏，也就是玉米，是最常见的一种。而如果你对某样东西过敏，你往往会对它上瘾。所以整个饮食失调的问题，与饮酒失调、药物失调密切相关，我们看到过敏与成瘾的关联，又是大脑运作中的一个重要因素。

So I have got three things that I am talking about here that relate nutrition to behavior. The genetically determined needs for high amounts of nutrients, that is the orthomolecular approach. The blood sugar fluctuations, the entire issue of maintaining blood sugar level within normal ranges, not too high, not too low, the only way to treat blood sugar fluctuations is through diet.

所以我在这里讲三件事，把营养和行为联系起来。基因决定的对大量营养素的需求，这就是正分子疗法。血糖波动，整个把血糖水平维持在正常范围内的问题，不太高，也不太低，治疗血糖波动的唯一方法就是通过饮食。

of maintaining blood sugar level within normal ranges, not too high, not too low, the only way to treat blood sugar fluctuations is through diet.

把血糖水平维持在正常范围内，不太高，也不太低，治疗血糖波动的唯一方法就是通过饮食。

And the last is the central nervous system allergies: This says that we take substances into our body that react in an allergic like way and I say allergic like because it isn't necessarily formal allergy as the doctors understand it, it creates symptoms that again can be physical, mental, or emotional. So we traditionally understand allergy from the point of view of immunology to produce rashes, (?)

最后是中枢神经系统过敏：这是说我们把某些物质摄入体内，它们会以类似过敏的方式反应，我说类似过敏，是因为它不一定是医生所理解的那种正式过敏，它产生的症状同样可以是身体的、心智的或情绪的。所以我们传统上从免疫学的角度理解过敏，会产生皮疹，（？）

, itchy eyes, you know what's all about, you get that in spring, you get it any time if you are something allergic to but it goes beyond that, it goes to systemic physical problems like headaches or fatigue, it goes into mental systemic mental problems that produce the emotional difficulties I am talking about. Problems in perception, moodiness, and so on, depression. So again there is a determinant there. Now what we do?

，眼睛发痒，你知道那都是怎么回事，春天会有，任何时候只要你过敏就会有，但它不止于此，它会发展成全身性的身体问题，比如头痛或疲劳，它会发展成心智层面的全身性问题，从而产生我正在说的那些情绪困难。感知上的问题、情绪多变等等，还有抑郁。所以这里同样有一个决定因素。那我们怎么做？

difficulties I am talking about. Problems in perception, moodiness, and so on, depression. So again there is a determinant there. Now what we do?

我正在说的那些困难。感知上的问题、情绪多变等等，还有抑郁。所以这里同样有一个决定因素。那我们怎么做？

In addition to nutrient therapy... Now depending on the willingness of a person to do what needs to be done, we can go very mildly with some therapy, may be some people only willing to take vitamins, that is a piece of it. May be some people willing to change their diets. May be some people willing to change their diets in some drastic ways.

除了营养疗法之外……现在要看一个人愿不愿意去做该做的事，我们可以用很温和的疗法，也许有些人只愿意吃维生素，那只是其中一部分。也许有些人愿意改变饮食。也许有些人愿意用某种剧烈的方式改变饮食。

May be some people are willing to go all the way over to the kinds of therapy that you see with Yogiji's program where people are put on juice therapies, raw foods, and other kinds of therapies that seem to the average person to be extreme, so we have here in the issue of what a person is willing to do and we have got some cultural and sociological problems here because they see those kinds of things as too far out.

也许有些人愿意一路走到你在 Yogiji 的课程里看到的那种疗法，把人放在果汁疗法、生食，以及其他在普通人看来很极端的疗法上，所以这里的问题就在于一个人愿意做什么，而我们在这里还有一些文化上和社会上的问题，因为他们把这类事情看成太离谱。

of what a person is willing to do and we have got some cultural and sociological problems here because they see those kinds of things as too far out.

一个人愿意做什么，而我们在这里还有一些文化上和社会上的问题，因为他们把这类事情看成太离谱。

If I will give you two major guidelines and then I'll finish with this, so we can have some questions. If I were to present you with too much of guidelines for how to eat in a way that is comparable with people living in Chicago, people living in New York city, people living in Boston, people living anywhere, it is one, try to develop a diet that is minimal in fastest food and by fastest food I mean any the (?) the food that's changed in any way from the way it grows. And of course the major problem is with processed food or white flour, white sugar, white rice, white pasta, etc, etc. So too much, too much processed food.

如果我要给你们两条主要准则，然后我就讲完这部分，这样我们可以问一些问题。如果我要给你们太多关于怎么吃的准则，好让它适用于住在芝加哥的人、住在纽约市的人、住在波士顿的人、住在任何地方的人，那就是，第一，试着养成一种把速食降到最低的饮食，我说的速食是指任何（？）以任何方式被改变了它原本生长样貌的食物。当然主要问题出在加工食品，或者白面粉、白糖、白米、白意面等等，等等。所以太多、太多加工食品。

I would say that we have to balance and center the diet, now we have been told since day one that we should eat a balanced diet but balance what? I mean what do we balance, what is that we are balancing? We don't know.

我会说，我们必须让饮食平衡并回到中心，我们从第一天起就被告知应该吃均衡的饮食，但平衡什么？我是说我们平衡什么，我们到底在平衡什么？我们不知道。

been told since day one that we should eat a balanced diet but balance what? I mean what do we balance, what is that we are balancing? We don't know.

我们从第一天起就被告知应该吃均衡的饮食，但平衡什么？我是说我们平衡什么，我们到底在平衡什么？我们不知道。

There is an interesting oriental perspective on nutrition and I find this to be extremely useful in combination with the western perspective. The eastern perspective talks about food in terms of balance. Fastest is (?) trying to balance things. Here's what they do very quickly, is all food is categorized into three groups and you can imagine these three groups being placed on a seesaw, one group on this extreme, one group on this extreme, one group in the middle. The group on this extreme consist of saw and animal food, meat, eggs, some other cheeses. That's over here, on this end of the seesaw, so that's going to push the seesaw down over here if you eat too much of those foods.

关于营养，东方有一个很有意思的视角，我发现把它和西方的视角结合起来极其有用。东方的视角讲的是食物的平衡。最快的方式是（？）试着让事物平衡。他们做得很快，是这样的：所有食物被分成三组，你可以想象这三组放在一个跷跷板上，一组在这一端，一组在那一端，一组在中间。这一端的这一组包括锯（？）和动物性食物，肉、蛋、还有一些奶酪。就在这边，在跷跷板的这一端，所以如果你吃太多这些食物，就会把跷跷板往这边压下去。

some other cheeses. That's over here, on this end of the seesaw, so that's going to push the seesaw down over here if you eat too much of those foods.

还有一些奶酪。就在这边，在跷跷板的这一端，所以如果你吃太多这些食物，就会把跷跷板往这边压下去。

On the other extreme, we have what I call fractionated foods, synthetic foods, extracts of food, for example, drugs, alcohol, caffeine, your highly sugared junk foods, your not very unsubstantial food, your very synthetic foods, that's on that extreme. You eat too much of those food, it pushes off the seesaw down on that end. In the middle guess what we have. What's left?

在另一端，是我们所说的分馏食品、合成食品、食物的提取物，比如药物、酒精、咖啡因、你那些高糖的垃圾食品、你那些没什么实质内容的食物、你那些非常合成的食品，都在那一端。你吃太多那些食物，它就把跷跷板往那一端压下去。中间呢，猜猜有什么。还剩下什么？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: What's the good stuff?

医生：好东西是什么？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: (?) what else? More general, give me a general category.

医生：（？）还有什么？更笼统一点，给我一个笼统的类别。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: More general.

医生：再笼统一点。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: More general.

医生：再笼统一点。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

else? More general, give me a general category.

还有什么？更笼统一点，给我一个笼统的类别。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: More general.

医生：再笼统一点。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: More general.

医生：再笼统一点。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Plant food, the food that grows from the ground, that is the other six of the eight food groups. Two we have, dairy, meat, the other six grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits. Those are the central foods, now what's this mean? Look, if we consume a lot of food in this extreme it tips the scale this way, right, the body has a natural tendency towards balance or as we call in medicine, homeostasis. Homeostasis requires that we go back to balance somehow, in other words, if we eat too much food over here we are going to crave something over here, so that we can pull it back to balance. If we eat lot of meat and (?)

医生：植物性食物，从地里长出来的食物，那就是八大类食物里的另外六类。我们有两类，奶制品、肉类，另外六类是谷物、豆类、坚果、种子、蔬菜和水果。这些是核心食物，那这意味着什么？你看，如果我们吃很多这一端的食物，天平就往这边倾斜，对吧，身体有趋向平衡的自然倾向，或者我们在医学里叫它体内平衡。体内平衡要求我们以某种方式回到平衡，换句话说，如果我们在这边吃太多食物，我们就会渴望那边的某种东西，这样我们才能把它拉回平衡。如果我们吃很多肉和（？）

we are going to crave either sugar, or alcohol, or drugs, or caffeine, or nicotine, or something. And if we too much of that we are going to crave some meat, and eggs, and so on and nice breakfast after a (?) eggs, (?) salty potatoes to balance that out.

我们就会渴望糖，或者酒精，或者药物，或者咖啡因，或者尼古丁，或者别的什么。而如果我们吃太多那些，我们就会渴望一些肉、蛋之类的，然后在（？）之后来一顿美好的早餐，鸡蛋、（？）咸土豆，把那平衡回来。

we too much of that we are going to crave some meat, and eggs, and so on and nice breakfast after a (?) eggs, (?) salty potatoes to balance that out.

我们吃太多那些东西，就会渴望一些肉、鸡蛋之类的，然后来一顿丰盛的早餐，吃（？）鸡蛋、（？）咸土豆来平衡一下。

The problem is that most of us balance extremes. The average American diet with that forty-two teaspoons of sugar a day and forty-five percent of our calories being in the form of fat and consuming roughly three hundred pounds of meat per person per year tends to put us on the extremes and we constantly balance in the extremes like having one food in hot coals, one food in ice water and on the average we are comfortable but it is certainly not a way to balance. So the idea is that not only must we balance our diets we must center the diet.

问题在于，我们大多数人是在极端之间找平衡。普通美国人的饮食，每天四十二茶匙糖，百分之四十五的热量来自脂肪，每人每年大约吃掉三百磅肉，这往往把我们推向极端，而我们又不断在极端里找平衡，就像一样食物放在热炭上，一样食物放在冰水里，平均下来我们觉得还舒服，但这绝不是平衡之道。所以关键在于，我们不仅要平衡饮食，还必须让饮食居中。

Centering the diet means moving away from the extremes towards the middle, the more we move towards the middle the more centered we become. That means the more centered becomes our personality, the more our moods swings tend not to occur. In other words, people who eat on the extremes you can very often characterize in terms of swings, in mood swings, in disease swings and personality etcetera.

让饮食居中，意味着从极端走向中间，越往中间走，我们就越居中。这意味着我们的人格越居中，情绪波动就越不容易发生。换句话说，吃在极端上的人，你常常可以用波动来形容他们——情绪的波动、疾病的波动、人格的波动等等。

words, people who eat on the extremes you can very often characterize in terms of swings, in mood swings, in disease swings and personality etcetera.

换句话说，吃在极端上的人，你常常可以用波动来形容他们——情绪的波动、疾病的波动、人格的波动等等。

So the two rules really eating food that is mostly unprocessed and trying to get your diet from the extremes towards the middle, the both of the standard American diet consist of foods on the extremes and I suggest that, that is not only a major problem in the onset of addiction and other kinds of behavior problems consuming those kinds of diet, especially in the face of all the stress and pollution that we have to face but it's a major missing factor in the entire treatment, profession treatment, professionals have not taken nutrition seriously and I address that issue.

所以这两条规则，其实就是吃大部分未经加工的食物，并努力把你的饮食从极端拉向中间，而标准美国饮食的两者都建立在极端的食物上。我认为，这种饮食不仅是成瘾和其他行为问题发作的主要问题，尤其是在我们不得不面对的所有压力和污染面前，而且它还是整个治疗中一个被严重忽略的因素，治疗专业人士没有认真对待营养，我要谈的就是这个问题。

I hope you all got one of the handout because I did address that to some extent in the handout the fact that nutrition has not been taken seriously in the therapeutic community and I listed a number of reasons why I thought that was true and I won't spend time on that now, if there is some questions, we can talk about that but it's (?) and I would like to stop.

我希望你们都拿到了一份讲义，因为我在讲义里多少谈到了这个问题，就是治疗界没有认真对待营养，我列了一些我认为原因所在的理由，现在我不花时间讲这个了，如果有问题，我们可以聊，但它是（？），我想停在这里。

Class clapping.

全班鼓掌。

Doctor: Thank you.

医生：谢谢。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: It's not there.

医生：它不在那里。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

about that but it's (?) and I would like to stop.

关于那个，但它是（？），我想停在这里。

Class clapping.

全班鼓掌。

Doctor: Thank you.

医生：谢谢。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: It's not there.

医生：它不在那里。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: It's somewhere about the two-thirds (?). You might be looking at the references, it's two pages there, if you look at the other side.

医生：大概在三分之二的地方（？）。你可以看看参考文献，就在那儿两页，如果你翻到另一面的话。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: High level wellness by Donald (?).

医生：高水准健康，作者是 Donald（？）。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: (?) test for minerals and (?) you do it by cutting some hair from the back of the neck you send (?) for analysis and you can determine what your minerals levels are in the last several months. It's (?) reliable, it's not foolproof and like any laboratory test it's not diagnostic, in other words, it gives you some clues to work with. The cytotoxic testing you are talking about for allergies, is again a fairly reasonable method but I have a problem with it because it's too locked into the medical model and I think it's not holistic enough in the sense that it does not represent necessarily the real world, in other words, the way we eat food.

医生：（？）矿物质检测，还有（？）你是这样做的：从脖子后面剪一些头发，送去（？）做分析，就能判断你过去几个月的矿物质水平。它（？）可靠，但不是万无一失的，而且像任何实验室检测一样，它不是诊断性的，换句话说，它给你一些线索去用。你说的那种针对过敏的细胞毒性检测，同样也是相当合理的方法，但我对它有个意见，因为它太被锁死在医学模型里了，我认为它不够整体，从某种意义上说，它不一定代表真实世界，换句话说，不代表我们实际吃食物的方式。

model and I think it's not holistic enough in the sense that it does not represent necessarily the real world, in other words, the way we eat food.

模型里，我认为它不够整体，从某种意义上说，它不一定代表真实世界，换句话说，不代表我们实际吃食物的方式。

Just the way you test for allergies by giving some kind of provocative test, you put something that you may be allergic to rubbing on the skin or you put it under the tongue or you inject it, and then you say well, that person is allergic (?) that we act and I think that is reasonable but you know it's not the real world, so we have got some problems there in the (?)

就像你检测过敏那样，给一个激发性的测试，把可能让你过敏的东西擦在皮肤上，或者放在舌头下面，或者注射进去，然后你说，好吧，那个人过敏（？）我们据此行动，我认为那是合理的，但你知道那不是真实世界，所以我们在（？）那里有一些问题。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: That is basically what's behind everything I have been talking about and I don't want to get into the chemistry of it but essential yes neurotransmitters are the things that make the brain work, the chemicals that make the brain work and those things are highly determined by dietary variables, yes and primarily yes, the amino acids and B vitamins, you know especially tryptophine and tyrosine.

医生：这基本上就是我一直在讲的一切背后的东西，我不想深入它的化学，但本质上是的，神经递质就是让大脑工作的东西，是让大脑工作的化学物质，而这些东西高度取决于饮食变量，是的，而且主要是，氨基酸和 B 族维生素，你知道，尤其是色氨酸和酪氨酸。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

by dietary variables, yes and primarily yes, the amino acids and B vitamins, you know especially tryptophine and tyrosine.

取决于饮食变量，是的，而且主要是，氨基酸和 B 族维生素，你知道，尤其是色氨酸和酪氨酸。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: No, I am not suggesting that the studies are as clear as we would like to have them, but what we do suggest is that yes the health of the sperm is an issue, that health of the sperm is a variable. All cells can exist in various states of health, including egg cells and sperm cells. So sperm cells that are in a state of not optimum health can influence the final product, can influence the fertilization process, therefore the growth.

医生：不，我不是在说那些研究已经清楚到我们希望的程度，但我们确实在说的是，是的，精子的健康是个问题，精子的健康是一个变量。所有细胞都可以存在于各种不同的健康状态中，包括卵细胞和精子细胞。所以处于非最佳健康状态的精子细胞会影响最终产物，会影响受精过程，因此也影响生长。

YB: They do, there is a, there is a ancient book I had it luckily I didn't bring it with me from India, there is a whole science of it, how to create a sperm and all that and I studied it, my marriage day, my birth of one son, and birth of my daughter is exactly the same day and I only goofed on one child, I studied that. My idea was...

YB：确实有，有一本古老的书，幸好我没从印度带过来，里面有一整套科学，讲怎么造精子之类的，我研究过它，我的结婚日、一个儿子的出生日、我女儿的出生日，正好是同一天，我只在一个孩子身上搞砸了，我研究过那个。我的想法是……

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: My idea was that I wanted to celebrate the marriage and birth of all the children on the same day.

YB：我的想法是，我想把结婚和所有孩子的出生都放在同一天庆祝。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

That's what my planning was.

这就是我当时的计划。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

marriage and birth of all the children on the same day.

结婚和所有孩子的出生都在同一天。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

That's what my planning was.

这就是我当时的计划。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

YB: No things, things went wrong because under circumstances I was in a job where I had to, I had no control on the my environments and my environments changed, but in other two cases my environments were under my control, I was a senior officer, I could control my environments, control my diet, control my way of life, and it was perfect. And I am talking to you a life span of one ten to twelve years and if you are determined to do certain things you can and unhealthy spermatozoa is as bad news as unhealthy egg.

YB：不，事情出了岔子，因为当时的环境下我做着一份工作，我控制不了我的环境，我的环境变了，但另外两个孩子的情况里，环境是在我控制之下的，我是高级官员，我能控制我的环境，控制我的饮食，控制我的生活方式，那就完美了。我跟你们讲的是一段十到十二年的寿命，如果你下定决心去做某些事，你就能做到，而不健康的精子跟不健康的卵子一样是坏消息。

That's why in the spiritual sense when our children are born in 3HO children they are all different, they are totally different, they are Americans but they are different, they are not American in any sense, they are more calm, more quiet, more intelligent, because what we do is when the pregnancy happens people meditate, people eat healthy, and at the hundred twentieth day we do not allow the woman to do anything but all good things she can do to herself to raise her spirit.

这就是为什么在灵性意义上，我们的孩子在 3HO 出生时，他们都不一样，他们完全不同，他们是美国人，但他们不一样，他们在任何意义上都不是美国人，他们更平静、更安静、更聪明，因为我们做的是，当怀孕发生时，人们冥想，人们吃得健康，到了第 120 天，我们不让那个女人做任何事，只让她做所有对自己好的事，来提升她的精神。

eat healthy, and at the hundred twentieth day we do not allow the woman to do anything but all good things she can do to herself to raise her spirit.

吃得健康，到了第 120 天，我们不让那个女人做任何事，只让她做所有对自己好的事，来提升她的精神。

And there is a tremendous difference, it is not all the more great difference, but tremendous difference between the normal children and 3HO children, I am watching it very patiently myself but it is only ten years ago we have started. And I think in if God gives me more little life, in ten, twenty years we will be in a position to understand that it is the commitment of the father and it's the love of the mother which make the saint, not the religion.

而且差别巨大，不是那种更大的差别，而是普通孩子和 3HO 孩子之间的巨大差别，我自己非常耐心地观察着，但这只是十年前才开始的。我想，如果神多给我一点寿命，再过十年、二十年，我们就能明白，是父亲的承诺和母亲的爱造就了圣人，而不是宗教。

Doctor: It's difficult to really pin it down to the exact dietary variables, but what is involved may be mutagenic changes that can be in some way socially with diet where you actually see in the cells some change that can be traced back possibly to dietary variables or may be traced to radiation that you did not protect yourself against because your body was nutritionally weak.

医生：很难真正把它精确归结到具体的饮食变量上，但牵涉到的可能是诱变性的变化，这些变化在某种程度上与饮食有关，你在细胞里确实能看到某种变化，它可能可以追溯到饮食变量，也可能追溯到辐射——你没有保护自己免受其害，因为你的身体在营养上是虚弱的。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Sometime they get in.

YB：有时候它们会进来。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Yeah.

YB：是的。

Side – B

B 面

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

because your body was nutritionally weak.

因为你的身体在营养上是虚弱的。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Sometime they get in.

YB：有时候它们会进来。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Yeah.

YB：是的。

Side – B

B 面

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Yeah, I had a person, I had a person, I am working on that person now, that person is in Canada, he was so allergic, he was so allergic, he was so allergic to everything, he couldn't enter his room, he couldn't sleep on a bed, they tested him out. Finally medically he was supposed to sleep under the tree. When I got a phone call that is his medical history, it is recorded history I can give you the address and name and you can further enquire, he called me and he said, "My situation is that I have to live under a tree, I can't breathe.

YB：是的，我遇到过一个人，我遇到过一个人，我现在正在调理那个人，那个人在加拿大，他过敏得厉害，他过敏得厉害，他对一切都过敏，他进不了自己的房间，他没法在床上睡觉，他们给他做了检测。最后从医学上讲，他应该睡在树下。我接到一个电话，那是他的病史，是有记录的病史，我可以给你地址和名字，你可以进一步查证，他打电话给我说：「我的情况是我必须住在树下，我没法呼吸。

" And he used to swell up, you know the total body swell up and they put in a hospital, gave him drugs, take care of him, send it back home and again the same thing happened. I put him in a very diet; eggplant with certain kind of stuff you can call them, what they call them?

」他过去常常肿起来，你知道，全身肿起来，他们把他送进医院，给他药，照顾他，送他回家，然后又发生同样的事。我给他安排了一种非常严格的饮食；茄子加某种东西，你可以这么叫它们，它们叫什么？

Student: Spices.

学生：香料。

YB: Spices. And I said, "This is your diet for forty days and nothing else. "

YB：香料。我说：「这就是你四十天的饮食，别的什么都不吃。」

kind of stuff you can call them, what they call them?

某种东西，你可以这么叫它们，它们叫什么？

Student: Spices.

学生：香料。

YB: Spices. And I said, "This is your diet for forty days and nothing else. "

YB：香料。我说：「这就是你四十天的饮食，别的什么都不吃。」

The guy is working, he lives. There is also a arrangement where you can immune yourself from these, what you call them symptom kind of you get, when summer comes in, you have that...

那家伙在工作，他活着。还有一种安排，可以让你对这些免疫，就是你们说的那些症状之类的东西，夏天来的时候，你会有那种……

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Hay fever, and this and that and then finally you are allergic to touch... There is another guy he is allergic, he was allergic to the touch of his wife.

YB：花粉热，这个那个，最后你对触碰都过敏……还有一个人，他过敏，他对妻子的触碰过敏。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

Now he is all right, it's not, it is... I think sometime you get too much into the mental, too much into the physical, and too much into all that stuff, but basically I have seen there is a possibility of immunity from allergies, from drugs, from swings, and moods, and all that kind of stuff. But I definitely I have seen practically one thing I can say, God works and diet works, and everything else is a byproduct.

现在他好了，不是，它是……我想有时候你太陷入心智，太陷入肉体，太陷入所有那些东西，但基本上我看到，对过敏、对药物、对情绪起伏、对心情，以及所有那类东西，是有可能免疫的。但我确实在实际中看到一件事，我可以说，神起作用，饮食起作用，其他一切都是副产品。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: I don't, but if you were to drop me a line I could send you some information on that and my address is in materials (?). Yeah I'd be happy to do that. There are several places they do, one is in California.

医生：我不知道，但如果你给我写封信，我可以给你寄一些关于那个的资料，我的地址在资料（？）里。是的，我很乐意这么做。有几个地方他们做这个，其中一个在加州。

you some information on that and my address is in materials (?). Yeah I'd be happy to do that. There are several places they do, one is in California.

给你一些关于那个的资料，我的地址在资料（？）里。是的，我很乐意这么做。有几个地方他们做这个，其中一个在加州。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: If you are allergic to it, you are addicted to it.

医生：如果你对它过敏，你就对它上瘾。

Student: That's right.

学生：没错。

Doctor: Yes.

医生：是的。

Student: If you are allergic to (?).

学生：如果你对它过敏（？）。

Doctor: It's a little bit lengthy to explain it, but I'll try to do in a nutshell. When you first experience something that as a negative reaction in your body for example cigarettes, the first time you smoke a cigarette, what happened, you coughed and what else?

医生：解释起来有点长，但我尽量用几句话说完。当你第一次体验某种在你身体里引起负面反应的东西，比如香烟，你第一次抽烟时，发生了什么，你咳嗽了，还有什么？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Yeah, dizzy maybe. First time you had a drink, what happened?

医生：是的，也许还头晕。你第一次喝酒时，发生了什么？

YB: Same thing.

YB：一样。

what happened, you coughed and what else?

发生了什么，你咳嗽了，还有什么？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Yeah, dizzy maybe. First time you had a drink, what happened?

医生：是的，也许还头晕。你第一次喝酒时，发生了什么？

YB: Same thing.

YB：一样。

Doctor: Same thing may be. First time you breathed some poison air, what happened? May be same thing. After a while you acclimate, you continue it in spite of bad taste because you have social pressure, so you continue or you have other pressures and eventually it converts from a negative reaction to a reaction where you feel good. Cigarette feels good, the drink feels good, you might like to sniff gasoline fumes, you feel good. At that point when you don't get what you are addicted to or allergic to originally you start to experience what? Withdrawal symptoms.

医生：也许一样。你第一次吸入有毒的空气时，发生了什么？也许一样。过了一段时间你就适应了，尽管味道不好你还是继续，因为你有社交压力，所以你继续，或者你有其他压力，最终它从负面反应转变成一种让你感觉良好的反应。香烟感觉好，酒感觉好，你可能喜欢闻汽油味，你感觉好。到了那个点，当你得不到你最初过敏或上瘾的东西时，你开始体验到什么？戒断症状。

YB: Cold turkey.

YB：硬戒。

Doctor: Cold turkey, withdrawal symptoms are defined by the fact that when you take that substance again cigarette, drink, whatever drug, you remove the withdrawal symptoms. That's why it is called an addiction, so what I am saying is that something that you are initially allergic to over period of time becomes an addiction. Now that period of time varies depending on what it is, and who it is, etcetera, etcetera.

医生：硬戒，戒断症状的定义就是，当你再次摄入那种物质——香烟、酒、不管什么毒品——你就消除了戒断症状。这就是为什么它叫成瘾，所以我要说的是，你最初过敏的东西，过一段时间就变成了成瘾。而这段时间的长短取决于它是什么、是谁等等，等等。

allergic to over period of time becomes an addiction. Now that period of time varies depending on what it is, and who it is, etcetera, etcetera.

过一段时间就变成了成瘾。而这段时间的长短取决于它是什么、是谁等等，等等。

So the difficulty with food allergies by the way is that you don't know that you are allergic to food, you know, you don't know you are addicted to them, you know you are addicted a drug, you know what you are doing, you choose to take the drug, but with the food it's difficult, so we have to do a lot of trial, and error and testing and see what food might be causing the trouble.

顺便说一句，食物过敏的难处在于，你不知道自己对食物过敏，你知道，你不知道自己对它们上瘾，你知道自己对毒品上瘾，你知道自己在干什么，你选择去吸毒，但食物就不一样，很难察觉，所以我们得做大量的尝试、试错和测试，看看是哪种食物在惹麻烦。

The most common things that ones we look for first-milk, dairy products, corn, chocolate, some meat, some grains, but there is a long list.

我们最先排查的，通常是最常见的那几样——牛奶、奶制品、玉米、巧克力、某些肉类、某些谷物，但这份清单很长。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Forty days, there is a forty days kind of a... you go on a fast mono diet it starts with melon and watermelon and it goes on and cleanse process by process area by area, you come out of it totally clean.

YB：40 天，有一种 40 天的……你去做单一食物的断食，从甜瓜和西瓜开始，然后一步一步地净化，一个区域一个区域地净化，你出来的时候就是彻底干净的。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

it starts with melon and watermelon and it goes on and cleanse process by process area by area, you come out of it totally clean.

它从甜瓜和西瓜开始，然后一步一步地净化，一个区域一个区域地净化，你出来的时候就是彻底干净的。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: I think what our experience is that works. I believe the best thing is that something should work, than to go into the depth of the philosophy at. I know basically any woman as a child who is uptight with her father in direct way or indirect way is going to uptight with her husband in indirect way or direct way, so when somebody a husband comes to me he said, "My wife is freaking out. "

YB：我想，我们的经验就是，管用的才算数。我相信，最好的事是它得管用，而不是去深挖那套哲学。我基本上知道，任何女人，小时候跟父亲关系紧张，不管是直接的还是间接的，长大后跟丈夫也会紧张，不管是间接的还是直接的，所以当一位丈夫来找我说：「我老婆快疯了。」

And I don't say, "Well, she should not, I send her in. "

我不会说：「嗯，她不该这样，我把她送进去。」

I never tell her what she wants to do with her husband, I start saying, "Well, when you were three year old, what you did to your father, do you like him, dislike him? " And it takes about seven, eight minutes to find it out where the pin is pinching, take the pin out, husband send you a good gift.

我从不告诉她该怎么对待她丈夫，我开口就问：「你三岁的时候，对你父亲做了什么，你喜欢他，还是不喜欢他？」大概七八分钟就能找出那根针扎在哪里，把针拔出来，丈夫就会送你一份好礼物。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

That same with body.

身体也是一样。

eight minutes to find it out where the pin is pinching, take the pin out, husband send you a good gift.

八分钟就能找出那根针扎在哪里，把针拔出来，丈夫就会送你一份好礼物。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生：笑声。）

That same with body.

身体也是一样。

Doctor: If the watermelon fast is not something that you can get your people to do, then I mean, there are many approaches and really, basically comes down to what the patient is willing to do and it's an organizational or administrative question of what the treatment center is willing to establish this policy. So it comes down to the policy question.

医生：如果西瓜断食不是你能让病人去做的事，那我的意思是，方法有很多，说到底，基本上取决于病人愿意做什么，而治疗中心愿不愿意定这个政策，是个组织上或行政上的问题。所以归根结底是个政策问题。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Yes, yes there is a whole spectrum things that can be done, I mean I would think watermelon fasting or juice fasting is on that end of the spectrum. I'll tell you something that's on the other end of the spectrum. Some researchers' name (?) work using something called ascorbic acid or ascorbic which is essential form of vitamin C using it in outrageously high doses compared to what is necessary as a nutrient, basically what they are doing at that point is pharmacology, but essentially they have been able to take people through with totally basically symptom free and it did it fairly consistently.

医生：是的，是的，有一整片光谱的事情可以做，我的意思是，我会认为西瓜断食或果汁断食是在光谱的那一端。我告诉你光谱另一端的东西。有些研究者的名字（？）用了一种叫抗坏血酸或抗坏血的东西，它是维生素 C 的基本形式，用的剂量高得离谱，跟作为营养素所需的量相比，基本上他们那时做的是药理学，但本质上他们能让人走完整个过程，基本上完全没有症状，而且做得相当稳定。

is pharmacology, but essentially they have been able to take people through with totally basically symptom free and it did it fairly consistently.

是药理学，但本质上他们能让人走完整个过程，基本上完全没有症状，而且做得相当稳定。

Now you ask me if that's true why hasn't the therapeutic community jumped on it and why has not this been publicized to a larger extent and...

现在你问我，如果那是真的，为什么治疗界没有扑上去，为什么这件事没有被更大范围地宣传，还有……

YB: Don't worry.

YB：别担心。

Doctor: I can give you many reasons. We don't want it to be painless, we don't want that belief system, we don't want to hear something that simple the drug, people, the doctors, etcetera do not want that kind of model based on that kind of simplicity, because it isn't what they were taught in medical school. So on the other extreme there is that kind of therapy that seems to work.

医生：我可以给你很多理由。我们不想要它无痛，我们不想要那套信念系统，我们不想听到那么简单的东西——药物、人们、医生等等，不想要那种建立在那种简单之上的模式，因为那不是他们在医学院里被教的东西。所以在另一个极端，有那种似乎有效的疗法。

of simplicity, because it isn't what they were taught in medical school. So on the other extreme there is that kind of therapy that seems to work.

简单，因为那不是他们在医学院里被教的东西。所以在另一个极端，有那种似乎有效的疗法。

The diet during withdrawal should be very high vitamin supplements, should be a diet that minimizes the foods that tend to inhibit recovery such as high sugar, high caffeine, high nicotine, fastest food, white flour, all of those things should be eliminated to whatever extent possible. You should incorporate real food and that real food can take the form of grains and vegetables, even meat may be, but as you move to a more and more pure diet, it will begin to take the form of vegetables, may be fruits and then eventually on the far side fruit juices, mono diet fasting. So really there is an entire spectrum.

戒断期间的饮食应该非常高剂量的维生素补充，应该是一种尽量减少那些会抑制恢复的食物的饮食，比如高糖、高咖啡因、高尼古丁、快餐、白面粉，所有这些东西都应该尽可能消除。你应该纳入真正的食物，真正的食物可以采取谷物和蔬菜的形式，甚至可以是肉，但当你走向越来越纯净的饮食时，它会开始采取蔬菜的形式，也许是水果，然后最终在远端是果汁、单一饮食断食。所以真的有一整片光谱。

It depends on what the patient is willing to do, it depends on the policy establish and treatment center and what I emphasize that part of the difficulty here is that treatment centers have not been willing to take these issues seriously and have not established a policy that relates to that.

这取决于病人愿意做什么，取决于治疗中心制定的政策，而我要强调的是，这里的部分困难在于，治疗中心一直不愿意认真对待这些问题，也没有制定与此相关的政策。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: No, no it is not, it is wrong here. Listen, it is not.

YB：不，不，不是的，这里错了。听着，不是的。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

have not established a policy that relates to that.

还没有制定与此相关的政策。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: No, no it is not, it is wrong here. Listen, it is not.

YB：不，不，不是这样，这里错了。听着，不是这样。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Oh! wait, wait, wait it is not watermelon, it is three days melon, three days watermelon, three days lemon, water, and honey, three days only water and lemon, then three days only water and then you reverse yourself. You have to understand in the world today, three thousand years ago a book was written on food, foods were divided into three areas,-satvik, rajvas, thamus. Satviks are those who shall keep you happy doesn't matter what. Thamus are those who will energize you and give you the push you need, thamus will give you the need to fulfill your desire, doesn't matter what and they have been classified and it is not something which is different.

YB：哦！等等，等等，等等，不是西瓜，是三天甜瓜，三天西瓜，三天柠檬、水和蜂蜜，三天只喝水加柠檬，然后三天只喝水，然后你再倒过来做。你得明白，在今天这个世界上，三千年前就有一本书写食物，食物被分成三个领域——悦性（satvik）、变性（rajvas）、惰性（thamus）。悦性食物是那些不管怎样都会让你保持快乐的食物。惰性食物是那些会给你能量、给你需要的推动力的食物，惰性食物会给你满足欲望所需的动力，不管那是什么，它们已经被分类了，这并不是什么不同的东西。

And that is how actually the medicine started, that is how the food started, food was the medicine.

实际上医学就是这样开始的，食物就是这样开始的，食物就是药。

We definitely know when you have a cough, cold, and all that there are lot of medicine available and you definitely have them. To me taking this what the thing call? Saffron?

我们当然知道，当你咳嗽、感冒以及诸如此类的时候，有很多药可用，你也肯定有这些药。对我来说，吃这个叫什么来着？藏红花？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

cold, and all that there are lot of medicine available and you definitely have them. To me taking this what the thing call? Saffron?

感冒，以及诸如此类的时候，有很多药可用，你也肯定有这些药。对我来说，吃这个叫什么来着？藏红花？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Saffron and pistachio nuts boiled in hot milk, just one glass can work all the purpose and save you thirty-five dollars seeing a doc, so it is a situation what you want to prefer, it's a question what you want to believe, it's a question what you are ready for. I have seen a absolutely a fanatic western crawling in India for getting cured by ayurvedic system and I have seen a fanatic Indian coming to Houston getting cured of his cancer by surgery and all that. So the question is when you meet the end, then you are willing to do everything, in-between people are not willing to adapt to the easy process of curing themselves.

YB：藏红花和开心果在热牛奶里煮，只要一杯就能起全部作用，还能省下你花三十五美元去看医生，所以这是个你想选什么的问题，是个你想相信什么的问题，是个你准备好接受什么的问题。我见过一个绝对的狂热西方人在印度爬来爬去，就为了用阿育吠陀体系治好自己，我也见过一个狂热的印度人跑到休斯顿，靠手术之类治好了他的癌症。所以问题是，当你走到尽头的时候，你什么都愿意做，而在那之前，人们不愿意去适应那种更简单的自我疗愈过程。

is when you meet the end, then you are willing to do everything, in-between people are not willing to adapt to the easy process of curing themselves.

就是当你走到尽头的时候，你什么都愿意做，而在那之前，人们不愿意去适应那种更简单的自我疗愈过程。

Doctor: You can read about some of that what he is describing is the ayurvedic system and one of the books I have listed called diet and nutrition by Valentine discusses those variables, that is another system of nutrition. There are many system of nutrition around the world, the one that I was describing in terms of balance comes from the oriental perspective, it comes from eastern Indian perspective and others.

医生：你可以读一些这方面的内容，他描述的是阿育吠陀体系，我列出的其中一本书叫《饮食与营养》，作者是瓦伦丁，里面讨论了那些变量，那是另一套营养体系。全世界有很多营养体系，我刚才从平衡角度描述的那一套来自东方的视角，来自东印度视角以及其他视角。

Student: Why in think this always puzzles me and I guess anyone that works with (?) have ever done any family counseling, I have always wondered why myself get involved in drugs of those the other members with in my family. Okay, now, listening to a lot of things which you said about diet and nutrition, I was wondering if any surveys or any type of, anything has been done in terms of (?) in a family and evaluating and finding about the nutritional intake of particular family members within a family to sort of give emphasis to that question.

学生：为什么，这个问题一直让我困惑，我想任何做过（？）的人，只要做过家庭咨询，都会困惑。我一直想不通，为什么我自己会沾上毒品，而家里其他成员却没有。好，现在听了您讲的很多关于饮食和营养的内容，我在想，有没有做过什么调查，或者任何形式的研究，针对（？）一个家庭，去评估和了解家庭中某些成员的营养摄入，好给这个问题多一些依据。

family and evaluating and finding about the nutritional intake of particular family members within a family to sort of give emphasis to that question.

家庭，去评估和了解家庭中某些成员的营养摄入，好给这个问题多一些依据。

Doctor: It's on my drawing board. The answer is that there has been very little of that done, there has been more of it done in the field of alcoholism, you know, there has been a lot of work on alcoholism in a family and we do know that alcoholism is described more or less as a family disease. So are the attendant illnesses, that we call them illnesses, such as hypoglycemia, (?) problems and so on.

医生：这还在我的计划板上。答案是，这方面做得非常少，在酗酒领域做得更多一些，你知道，关于家庭中的酗酒已经有很多研究，我们确实知道，酗酒多少被描述为一种家庭疾病。随之而来的那些病症也是如此，我们称之为病症，比如低血糖、（？）问题等等。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Yes, yes, yes, what seems to be involved here is the fact that what is common among families is a peculiar biochemistry.

医生：对，对，对，这里似乎牵涉到的是，家庭之间共通的东西，是一种特殊的生化状态。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Yes, yes, yes, what seems to be involved here is the fact that what is common among families is a peculiar biochemistry.

对，对，对，这里似乎牵涉到的是，家庭之间共通的东西，是一种特殊的生化状态。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Now, just the way the family is made to look alike physically they may also internally look alike, the chemistries may be similar. You even may also have one very different but it tends to be the same. So you may tend to find families behaving in the same way for many reasons, one reason may be similar genetics, and other may be similar genetics that is expressed in the chemistry that says okay, we are going to behave in a certain way and also families tend to eat the same way.

医生：你看，就像一家人在外表上长得像，他们内在也可能像，生化状态可能相似。你甚至也可能有一个非常不同的，但整体上往往还是一样的。所以你会发现，一家人往往以同样的方式行事，原因有很多，一个原因可能是基因相似，另一个可能是相似的基因在生化上表达出来，说好了，我们就按某种方式行事；而且一家人往往吃得也一样。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: That's why you are different bio...

医生：这就是为什么你是不同的生化……

YB: Metabolism.

YB：代谢。

Doctor: Different metabolism, different chemistries and you also may have different psychosocial pressures too, different relationships but your chemistry may be different and it can be explained at least to some extent on that basis.

医生：不同的代谢，不同的生化状态，而且你们也可能承受不同的心理社会压力，有不同的人际关系，但你的生化状态可能不同，这至少在一定程度上可以用这个来解释。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Well I hope so, I hope so.

医生：嗯，我希望如此，我希望如此。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

be different and it can be explained at least to some extent on that basis.

不同，这至少在一定程度上可以用这个来解释。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: Well I hope so, I hope so.

医生：嗯，我希望如此，我希望如此。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: There is some literature of..., I think if you begin reading some of the references that I put at the end of the paper you will begin to start getting a sense of that kind of stuff and I can't point specifically to any research done in drug addiction that talks about family characteristics, but I have a pretty clear sense of it and I think after a while we start to see more on this, so that is as far as I can go with that for you.

医生：有一些文献……我想，如果你开始读我在论文末尾列的一些参考文献，你就会开始对那类东西有点感觉。我没法具体指出有哪项关于药物成瘾的研究谈到了家庭特征，但我对此有相当清楚的感受。我想过一阵子我们会看到更多这方面的东西，所以关于这一点我只能跟你讲到这里。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: To determine nutritional status? There are certain blood tests that are available but in my opinion they are very few that work with them because, for several reasons; first of all they are based, lot of them are based on a fairly again allopathic medical model, otherwise traditional western medical model. You can get some information from them but it tends to be very incomplete. Some of the problems are related to the fact that what is in your blood has nothing to do with what's going on the rest of your body.

医生：要确定营养状况？有一些血液检测可以做，但在我看来，真正管用的很少，原因有好几个。首先，它们当中有很多还是基于相当对抗疗法式的医学模型，或者说传统的西方医学模型。你能从里面得到一些信息，但它往往非常不完整。有些问题在于，你血液里的东西跟你身体其他部分正在发生的事根本没关系。

very incomplete. Some of the problems are related to the fact that what is in your blood has nothing to do with what's going on the rest of your body.

非常不完整。有些问题在于，你血液里的东西跟你身体其他部分正在发生的事根本没关系。

Now there is a real question with nutritional status, nutrients status in the body is that you may find certain levels of vitamin C etcetera, etcetera in the blood, but has nothing to do with tissue saturation which is the real issue.

现在营养状况确实是个真问题，身体里的营养状况是——你可能在血液里发现某种水平的维生素 C 等等，但这跟组织饱和度毫无关系，而组织饱和度才是真正的问题所在。

And under conditions of stress for example the adrenal glands are almost always exhausted of vitamin C, the most vitamin C is stored in the adrenal glands. The adrenal glands are what happens in the Fight or Flight syndrome when you are under stress and as they are under stress they tend to become depleted of vitamin C and therefore don't work well and that's why we can't handle the stress on and on.

比如在压力状态下，肾上腺几乎总是被耗尽维生素 C，维生素 C 储存最多的地方就是肾上腺。肾上腺就是你在压力下进入「战或逃」反应时起作用的东西，当它们处在压力下，就会逐渐耗尽维生素 C，因此运作不良，这就是为什么我们没法一直一直扛住压力。

as they are under stress they tend to become depleted of vitamin C and therefore don't work well and that's why we can't handle the stress on and on.

当它们处在压力下，就会逐渐耗尽维生素 C，因此运作不良，这就是为什么我们没法一直一直扛住压力。

So nutrients in the body are not reflected necessarily by what's in the blood, so that's one of the problems. There is a laboratory in Washington state, that is beginning to develop more sophisticated testing and they are beginning to sell that system out around the country and this person's name is Jaffery Blind, BLIND, he is at the university of (?) and they are developing clinical systems there, that is based on a kind of testing in scientific approach but he is not totally crazy on the medical scientific end.

所以身体里的营养素不一定反映在血液里，这就是问题之一。华盛顿州有一家实验室，开始开发更精密的检测，他们开始把这套系统卖到全国各地。这个人的名字叫 Jaffery Blind，BLIND，他在（？）大学，他们在那里开发临床系统，基于某种检测和科学方法，但他在医学科学那一头并不是完全疯的。

clinical systems there, that is based on a kind of testing in scientific approach but he is not totally crazy on the medical scientific end.

那里有临床系统，它建立在某种科学方法的检测之上，但他在医学科学这一端并不是完全疯癫。

He is an Ex-MD student who got very angry with the fact that he was being taught that diet would provide adequate nutrients and one of his students challenged him one day and insisted on the fact that he was wrong, forced him to go library after which he had to come back and apologize to the students, changed his course, became a (?), and he is now in my opinion one of the best lecturers in nutritional biochemistry in the world and if you can get in touch with some of his things I think you will find in my opinion some of the most sophisticated work going on, in the area being able to test nutritional status.

他原本是个读医学博士的学生，后来非常愤怒，因为有人教他说饮食就能提供足够的营养，有一天他的一个学生挑战他，坚持说他是错的，逼着他去图书馆，之后他不得不回来向学生们道歉，改了自己的课程，成了一个（？），而在我看来，他现在是全世界营养生物化学领域最好的讲师之一，如果你能接触到他的某些东西，我想你会发现，在我看来，那是正在进行的一些最精微的工作，在能够检测营养状态这个领域。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: But it's (?).

医生：但它是（？）。

my opinion some of the most sophisticated work going on, in the area being able to test nutritional status.

在我看来，那是正在进行的一些最精微的工作，在能够检测营养状态这个领域。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: But it's (?).

医生：但它是（？）。

Student: What you are saying really makes sense to me just in terms of the literature on it and personal experience around the biochemical and eating I mean from the personal habits of myself from the last ten years that being vegetarian fasting and what not, but for balance I guess like anything else like (?)and somehow that bad part can be left out where we just look at putting in a (?) nutrients and what the body is chemically made up of and for me a large part of that is what one who believes and (?) about fasting before eating. I think it's beyond what you chemically on, (?)

学生：你说的这些对我来说真的很有道理，就从这方面的文献和我个人的经验来说，围绕生物化学和饮食，我是说从我自己过去十年的个人习惯来看，吃素、断食之类的，但为了平衡，我想就像任何别的事情一样，像（？），不知怎么那个坏的部分可以被去掉，我们只看放入（？）营养素，以及身体在化学上是由什么构成的，而对我来说，其中很大一部分是一个人相信什么，以及（？）关于吃之前断食。我觉得它超出了你在化学上所依据的，（？）

up of and for me a large part of that is what one who believes and (?) about fasting before eating. I think it's beyond what you chemically on, (?)

构成的，而对我来说，其中很大一部分是一个人相信什么，以及（？）关于吃之前断食。我觉得它超出了你在化学上所依据的，（？）

where are you psychically and spiritually around what you are going to with your system and that is influential for me, I am personalizing but, beyond the personal it's also like experience, professionally, that is a (?) chemical and the nutrient part, and if it is not present with that kind of balance I think one could be saying that as long that (?) is (?) my diet and find out what I am chemically made of, that is going to help or you go the other extreme and it's a balance before you choose for me, I mean it's like right brain, left brain... (?) Doctor: Yes.

你在灵性上、在心灵上处于哪里，围绕你要用你的系统去做什么，而那个对我来说是有影响的，我在把它个人化，但除了个人之外，它也像经验一样，在专业上，那是一个（？）化学和营养的部分，如果它不具备那种平衡，我想一个人可能会说，只要那个（？）是（？）我的饮食，弄清楚我在化学上是由什么构成的，那就会有帮助，或者你走到另一个极端，而它在你为我做选择之前是一种平衡，我是说，它就像右脑、左脑……（？）医生：是的。

Student: That you can talk about (?) really essence of (?).

学生：你可以谈论（？）真正的本质（？）。

Doctor: I appreciate that and to emphasize that as I said earlier nutrition is hardly the whole answer. I think it's the biggest missing piece and I also if you take what is a holistic approach is I defined it earlier is that all things are connected and you simply can't leave out the spiritual dimension be complete and you are right...

医生：我很感激这一点，也要强调，就像我之前说的，营养远不是全部的答案。我认为它是最大的那块缺失的拼图，而且我也——如果你采取的是整体的方法，就像我之前定义的，就是万物相连，你根本不能把灵性维度撇开还指望它是完整的，你说得对……

is I defined it earlier is that all things are connected and you simply can't leave out the spiritual dimension be complete and you are right...

就像我之前定义的，就是万物相连，你根本不能把灵性维度撇开还指望它是完整的，你说得对……

YB: Food is not important, also you eat anything but it also there is a one very fundamental line, eat only and eat all which comes out of you also in twenty-four hours and that part we all forget, I know eat there is a best food, I go to a restaurant it is best this, best this but I never think of it that when it is going to come out.

YB：食物不重要，你吃什么也行，但有一条非常根本的线：只吃、也只吃那些能在 24 小时内排出体外的东西，而这一点我们全都忘了。我知道，有最好的食物，我去餐馆，这是最好的，那是最好的，但我从来不想它什么时候会排出来。

Doctor: So it must come out in twenty-four hours.

医生：所以它必须在 24 小时内排出来。

YB: It must come, that is call satvik food.

YB：它必须排出来，那才叫悦性食物。

Student: Yes sir.

学生：是的，先生。

YB: You eat all that what you want and eat as much you can but must see it must come out. The question arises, the question ask the teacher, student ask the teacher, "How can I know? "

YB：你想吃什么就吃什么，能吃多少就吃多少，但必须看着它排出来。问题就来了，学生问老师：「我怎么知道呢？」

He said, "At the end of the food eat little beets. "

他说：「吃完饭的时候，吃一点甜菜。」

The question arises, the question ask the teacher, student ask the teacher, "How can I know? "

问题就来了，学生问老师：「我怎么知道呢？」

He said, "At the end of the food eat little beets. "

他说：「吃完饭的时候，吃一点甜菜。」

And you always know when they come out because beets always bring the red color. So this is how you can judge, you eat today green food, totally green and then for rest of the time eat nothing green, but something else and you can watch out sometime it takes four, five days for green food for you to come and thirty million American take laxative to just clear themselves out and you call them healthy, it's impossible to believe. That is one of the greatest setback I have seen in life.

这样你就总能知道它们什么时候排出来，因为甜菜总会带来红色。所以你可以这样判断：你今天吃绿色的食物，全是绿的，然后剩下的时间什么绿的都不吃，只吃别的，你可以观察，有时候绿色的食物要四五天才排出来，而三千万美国人吃泻药就为了把自己清空，你还说他们健康，这简直无法相信。这是我在人生中见过的最大的倒退之一。

Doctor: I agree, the American diet is so low in fiber that some people are taking not only two days, three days but up to a week or more to eliminate the food or the waste from the food they eat if it is eliminated at all, we find people with materials impacted in the colon that have been there for years. And the diet is so low in fiber and you get fiber by eating those foods from the center of the balance scale what I talked about.

医生：我同意，美国人的饮食纤维太低，有些人不是两天、三天，而是长达一周甚至更久才把食物或食物残渣排出来——如果还能排出来的话。我们发现有些人的结肠里堵着的东西已经待了好多年。饮食里的纤维太低了，而纤维是靠吃那些处在天平中间的食物得来的，就是我讲过的那类食物。

there for years. And the diet is so low in fiber and you get fiber by eating those foods from the center of the balance scale what I talked about.

已经待了好多年。饮食里的纤维太低了，而纤维是靠吃那些处在天平中间的食物得来的，就是我讲过的那类食物。

The most important sources of fiber, in fact the only sources are whole grains, foods and vegetables and in the studies on that are so clear, they were done by comparing Africans with English men in a rather extensive study and in the African diet there was an average of about twenty-eight grams of fiber intake per day.

纤维最重要的来源，事实上唯一的来源，是全谷物、食物和蔬菜，关于这一点研究说得非常清楚，他们做了一项相当大规模的研究，把非洲人和英国人作比较，非洲人的饮食里平均每天摄入大约 28 克纤维。

In the diets of the English men and comparable with those of Americans you got about five grams of fiber per day, and the things that are associated with a low fiber diet very clearly resembles no dispute are cancer of the colon, hemorrhoids, constipation, diverticulosis, cholesterol levels, lobitis and varicose veins and it's going to be simplest things that you can do to begin correcting your diet to eliminate some of those. Some people believe that eighty percent of all disease begins in the colon, there is that healing system that is based on cleansing the colon, a reasonable thing to do.

在英国人的饮食里，以及与之相当的美国人的饮食里，每天大约摄入 5 克纤维，而与低纤维饮食相关的东西非常清楚，毫无争议，就是结肠癌、痔疮、便秘、憩室病、胆固醇水平、回肠炎和静脉曲张，而你要开始纠正饮食、消除其中一些问题，能做的就是最简单的事情。有些人相信，所有疾病中有百分之八十都始于结肠，就有那种以清洁结肠为基础的疗愈体系，这是件合理的事。

that eighty percent of all disease begins in the colon, there is that healing system that is based on cleansing the colon, a reasonable thing to do.

所有疾病中有百分之八十都始于结肠，就有那种以清洁结肠为基础的疗愈体系，这是件合理的事。

YB: Once a person came to me and he was constipated, he tried almost lot of things which doctor gave him, couldn't work. I told him that green stuff, what we call it?

YB：有一次一个人来找我，他便秘，医生给他的办法他几乎都试过了，都不管用。我告诉他，那种绿色的东西，我们叫它什么？

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Aah.

YB：啊。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

YB: Chlorophyll, I told him to take about four ounces straight. He took four ounces straight, he called me he said, "Nothing happened. "

YB：叶绿素，我叫他直接喝大约 4 盎司。他直接喝了 4 盎司，打电话跟我说：「什么都没发生。」

I said, "Well, you need a surgery. "

我说：「那你就需要动手术了。」

He got another four ounces and he moved. Can you believe that four ounces chlorophyll couldn't do a thing?

他又喝了 4 盎司，就通了。你能相信吗，4 盎司叶绿素竟然一点用都没有？

Doctor: Those of you in treatments centers, I would like to really raise the question of how do, I mean what do you see as the problems what you see some of the obstacles, issues in translating what we have been talking about into treatment, I think that's the critical issue here for most of you, what we do about getting this into treatment, how do we change the model by which treatment centers develop policy?

医生：你们当中在治疗中心工作的人，我真的很想提出这个问题：你们怎么做，我的意思是，你们看到的那些问题是什么，你们看到的把我们所讲的这些东西落实到治疗中的一些障碍、议题是什么，我想这对你们大多数人来说才是关键的议题，我们该怎么做才能把它带进治疗，我们该怎么改变治疗中心制定政策所依据的模式？

issue here for most of you, what we do about getting this into treatment, how do we change the model by which treatment centers develop policy?

对你们大多数人来说才是关键的议题，我们该怎么做才能把它带进治疗，我们该怎么改变治疗中心制定政策所依据的模式？

Student: When we get (?) and treatment or there is a high correlation between the abusive drugs and the smoking of cigarettes and drinking the coffee everybody I think it works in the therapeutic community, conventional therapeutic community recognizes that the, I think the incidents of smoking even goes up as somebody is coming (?) drug dependency and as soon as we settle and (?) we find it so difficult to deal with people relative to the drugs that if we have to have them stop smoking or retention would be maybe an hour and a half and they would be running to the streets as perfect maniacs.

学生：当我们得到（？）和治疗，或者滥用药物、吸烟和喝咖啡之间有很高的相关性，每个人，我认为这在治疗社区里是行得通的，传统治疗社区承认，我认为吸烟的发生率甚至会上升，当某人正在（？）药物依赖，而一旦我们安定下来并且（？），我们发现相对于药物，跟人打交道是如此困难，如果我们必须让他们停止吸烟，或者留住他们也许只有一个半小时，他们就会像十足的疯子一样跑到街上去。

that if we have to have them stop smoking or retention would be maybe an hour and a half and they would be running to the streets as perfect maniacs.

如果我们必须让他们停止吸烟，或者留住他们也许只有一个半小时，他们就会像十足的疯子一样跑到街上去。

So we have a sense of resolve that they are going to continue these unhealthy things but let's deal with this thing and also the drinking of important sources specially interested in, I think did you ask the (?) question (?) about, somebody asked a question (?) that when someone is coming (?) diet (?) indicate or someone who is withdrawing I would suspect that based on your prescription almost the total diet would be contraindicated in terms of intake relative to coffee and smoking.

所以我们有一种决心，他们会继续这些不健康的事情，但让我们来处理这件事，还有喝重要的来源，特别感兴趣的是，我想你有没有问那个（？）问题（？）关于，有人问了一个问题（？）当某人正在（？）饮食（？）表明，或者某人正在戒断，我会怀疑，根据你的处方，几乎整个饮食在摄入方面都会是禁忌的，相对于咖啡和吸烟。

Doctor: No, no, not necessarily because I think that you are right, I think if you have to do some (?) I think we have to be realistic about(?), of withdrawal and I don't think you can really (?) expect someone coming off drugs or alcohol to (?) same time (?), but I think we have to not do it unconsciously, I think that's is the key thing is to be conscious about what is happening there and deal with those things eventually. Eventually the alcoholic has to deal with sugar, eventually with caffeine, and so on.

医生：不，不，不一定，因为我认为你是对的，我认为如果你必须做一些（？），我认为我们必须对（？）现实一点，关于戒断，我不认为你真的能（？）指望一个正在戒掉药物或酒精的人同时（？），但我认为我们不能无意识地去做，我认为关键的事情是有意识地觉察到那里正在发生什么，并最终处理那些事情。最终酗酒者必须处理糖，最终处理咖啡因，等等。

what is happening there and deal with those things eventually. Eventually the alcoholic has to deal with sugar, eventually with caffeine, and so on.

那里正在发生什么，并最终处理那些事情。最终酗酒者必须处理糖，最终处理咖啡因，等等。

Student: (?) we enforce as what you said before about being addicted to those things to which you are allergic.

学生：（？）我们强制执行，就像你之前说的，对那些你过敏的东西上瘾。

Doctor: Yes.

医生：是的。

Student 1: Because if one accepts that one is allergic to high sugar foods, especially one is withdrawn, there is a phenomena (?) checking when you are coming (?) and checking in (?) when I was...

学生1：因为如果一个人接受自己对高糖食物过敏，尤其是当一个人正在戒断时，有一种现象（？）检查，当你正在（？）并且检查（？）当我……

Yes, certainly years when I started was checking everybody was rushing to get cup cakes instead when they are coming (?) heroin.

是的，当然，我刚开始的那些年，检查每个人都在冲去拿纸杯蛋糕，而不是当他们正在（？）海洛因的时候。

Student 2: (?) information we have been working with (?) and a lot of other people using drugs and we take them off the drug as well as the caffeine, (?) and sugar all at once and we provide them with good tasty food and if anything you can get them addicted to those foods and they enjoy them tremendously and they don't have any problem with it.

学生 2：（？）我们一直在用的那些信息（？），还有很多其他人在用药物，我们让他们一次性戒掉药物，也戒掉咖啡因（？）和糖，然后给他们好吃又美味的食物，如果能让他们对这些食物上瘾，他们会吃得特别享受，完全不会有任何问题。

Doctor: (?) constitutionally somewhat different than we suspect and we perhaps handle things that you handle in a more superficial fashion and doesn't permit us to get approved that message and may we have to learn from you is what I am saying.

医生：（？）体质上跟我们猜的有点不一样，我们处理事情的方式也许比你更表面，这不允许我们得到认可，那个信息，也许我们得向你学习，这就是我要说的。

you handle in a more superficial fashion and doesn't permit us to get approved that message and may we have to learn from you is what I am saying.

你处理得更表面，这不允许我们得到认可，那个信息，也许我们得向你学习，这就是我要说的。

Student 2: Yeah, because you know, I feel that ninety-nine percent of our people smoke cigarettes, and drink coffee sugar the whole thing and if you can replace good tasty foods and the herbs and exercises and keeping them busy keeping them active, it works and it's not difficult.

学生 2：对，因为你知道，我觉得我们的人里百分之九十九都抽烟、喝咖啡、吃糖，整套都来，如果你能用好吃又美味的食物、草药和练习来替代，再让他们忙起来、保持活跃，它就管用，而且并不难。

Doctor: If they accept that.

医生：前提是他们接受。

Student: Well, they accept.

学生：嗯，他们会接受。

YB: Oh! with us you know there is no alternative.

YB：哦！在我们这儿，你知道，没有别的选择。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生们：笑声。）

With you it is, you are talking of a common makeup, the guy comes in, he go to go through it, and if he wants not too, the door is open and there is no toll tax.

在你们那儿就有，你说的是普通人的构成，那人来了，他就得走完这一套，如果他不想要，门开着，也不收过路费。

Doctor: Yes you can...

医生：是的，你可以……

Student: Excuse me, I have to say, we are exactly, excuse me, we are exactly a half an hour over okay and this has been (?) inviting in treating.

学生：抱歉，我得说，我们正好，抱歉，我们正好超了半个小时，好吧，这一直是（？）邀请来治疗。

YB: Given them...

YB：给他们……

Student: (?) I do not want to stop your question okay but can we make way for may be one more and then we...

学生：（？）我不想打断你的问题，好吧，但我们能不能再让一个人提问，然后我们就……

YB: No, no one is enough.

YB：不，不，一个就够了。

Student: One is enough, okay.

学生：一个就够了，好吧。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生们：笑声。）

question okay but can we make way for may be one more and then we...

问题，好吧，但我们能不能再让一个人提问，然后我们就……

YB: No, no one is enough.

YB：不，不，一个就够了。

Student: One is enough, okay.

学生：一个就够了，好吧。

(Students: Laughter.)

（学生们：笑声。）

Student: (?) in treatment, the male and the female, they both have the same diet, what I have seen in the years is that the female is very easy to gain a lot of weight, where the male doesn't, (?).

学生：（？）在治疗中，男的和女的，他们俩吃同样的饮食，这些年来我看到的是，女的很容易长很多体重，男的就不会，（？）。

YB: With the same food they both don't...

YB：吃同样的食物，他们俩都不会……

Doctor: That one gains.

医生：那一个会增重。

YB: Oh! yeah I can send you something, female calls herself to be a human, but that's a different specie all together, and so is the male. I can tell you very funny thing, in the period of menstruation of those four days whatever you eat sits with you, you don't do a thing. There are lot of other things which we are experimenting. We teach women training camp and they will come about two hundred, two and fifty women and we give them different foods, we clean them out. We take, we teach them and we counsel them all that, but basically I tell you it is a hypocrisy, we have a definite food for those women for that definite period of six weeks and it serve them the whole year and it's a fact.

YB：哦！是的，我可以寄给你一些东西，女性称自己为人类，但那完全是另一个物种，男性也一样。我可以告诉你一件非常有趣的事，在月经期那四天里，你吃什么都会留在你身上，你什么也做不了。我们还在试验很多其他东西。我们办女性训练营，会来大约两百、两百五十个女性，我们给她们不同的食物，我们把她们清理干净。我们接收她们，教她们，也给她们做所有这些咨询，但基本上我告诉你，这是一种虚伪，我们为那些女性在那个特定的六周期间有特定的食物，它能服务她们一整年，这是事实。

you it is a hypocrisy, we have a definite food for those women for that definite period of six weeks and it serve them the whole year and it's a fact.

你，这是一种虚伪，我们为那些女性在那个特定的六周期间有特定的食物，它能服务她们一整年，这是事实。

Ten days we have a summer solstice, we have a mono diet and nobody can steal in any food it is every van is checked and all that. All 3HO people for that for six months work it out, six months, ten days food, but it's a compulsory, there is no way out, and they have to have that mono diet.

十天我们办夏至营，我们有一种单一饮食，没有人能偷带任何食物进去，每辆货车都要检查，诸如此类。所有 3HO 的人为此要准备六个月，六个月，十天的食物，但这是强制性的，没有别的办法，他们必须吃那种单一饮食。

Diet has a miraculous effects on the body, mind, and the scale of the person, but it is difficult to inject it. But if you ever get a chance you are the best, last question over. Thanks a lot.

饮食对身体、心智和人的体重秤有奇迹般的效果，但很难把它灌输进去。不过如果你有机会，你就是最棒的，最后一个问题结束。非常感谢。

Student: (----).

学生：（----）。

Doctor: (?) are the attendance sheet and did everyone get the handouts?

医生：（？）签到表在这里吗，每个人都拿到讲义了吗？

Student: I thank you the panel...

学生：我感谢你，各位嘉宾……

Doctor: (?).

医生：（？）。

Class clapping.

全班鼓掌。

Student: Okay and the audience for the participation.

学生：好的，也感谢观众们的参与。

YB: You were very good. Thank you.

YB：你表现得非常好。谢谢你。

VOICE IS NOT CLEAR.

声音不清楚。