电台采访——论女性

Good morning, it's nice to have you here.

早上好，很高兴你能来。

YB: Good morning.

YB：早上好。

Danielle Lin: You are back again.

Danielle Lin：你又回来了。

YB: Yeah it's a very, very hot subject, 'woman. '

YB：是啊，这是一个非常、非常热门的话题，「女人」。

morning, it's nice to have you here.

早上好，很高兴你能来。

YB: Good morning.

YB：早上好。

Danielle Lin: You are back again.

Danielle Lin：你又回来了。

YB: Yeah it's a very, very hot subject, 'woman. '

YB：是啊，这是一个非常、非常热门的话题，「女人」。

Danielle Lin: Yes, we have talked about it a lot and from (?) just the little bits and pieces that I have heard you say, it's, we never really have thought about woman being really that different other than physically but, I mean, talk about woman. What is a woman?

Danielle Lin：是的，我们聊过很多次了，从我听到你说的那些零零碎碎的内容来看，我们从来没有真正想过女人除了身体上之外真的有那么多不同，但是，我是说，谈谈女人吧。女人是什么？

YB: Well, the problem with a woman is that woman doesn't know what woman is and I have been telling twenty years to woman that woman is a woman, nothing more, nothing less and I do it this way, spell woman - WO and MAN, it's just like WOW MAN, she has to be one step ahead of a man, otherwise she is no, no person at all. It's a question is either you have the real identity or you don't have identity. Either your ID can sponsor the ego and push it to the mental aptitude that you can come through or you don't come through and when you talk to a woman like this, she says, "Well, I am a slave, I am showpiece, I am a showbiz, what I am?

YB：嗯，女人的问题在于女人不知道女人是什么，我二十年来一直告诉女人，女人就是女人，不多也不少，我是这样讲的，拼写 woman——WO 和 MAN，就像 WOW MAN，她必须比男人领先一步，否则她就什么都不是，根本不算一个人。问题在于，要么你有真正的身份，要么你没有身份。要么你的身份能支撑小我，把它推到你能突破的心智能力上去，要么你就突破不了。当你这样跟一个女人说话时，她说：「好吧，我是个奴隶，我是个摆设，我是个作秀的，我到底是什么？

through or you don't come through and when you talk to a woman like this, she says, "Well, I am a slave, I am showpiece, I am a showbiz, what I am?

突破不了。当你这样跟一个女人说话时，她说：「好吧，我是个奴隶，我是个摆设，我是个作秀的，我到底是什么？

" And the fact is that womans are very confused and the best thing we can do right now is to ask every woman and every man to look towards the sky and find out a phenomena.

」而事实是，女人们非常困惑，我们现在能做的最好的事，就是让每一个女人和每一个男人都抬头看天，去发现一个现象。

This is sun is a man and woman is a moon and it is known from time immemorial but all right, then if that is true, if it's not true let us not get into discussion but let us look to the skies. Sun shines and moon reflects. So actually that is the combination between a man and a woman. One shines and the other reflects. Period. And less than that nothing will work out because Sun can only burst a seed into the grout but it cannot give it the shape, the enlargement, capacity and everything. It can ripe a thing and it can totally rot a thing, that's what Sun does. So studying the nature, there comes a very vital role of a woman and there is nothing to be confused.

太阳是男人，月亮是女人，这是自古以来就知道的，但好吧，如果那是真的，如果不是真的，我们不要陷入讨论，而是让我们看看天空。太阳照耀，月亮反射。所以实际上那就是男人和女人之间的结合。一个照耀，另一个反射。就这样。少于这个，什么都行不通，因为太阳只能把种子爆进土里，但它不能给它形状、扩展、容量和一切。它能让一个东西成熟，也能让一个东西彻底腐烂，那就是太阳所做的。所以研究自然，女人的角色就变得极其重要，没有什么好困惑的。

can totally rot a thing, that's what Sun does. So studying the nature, there comes a very vital role of a woman and there is nothing to be confused.

能让一个东西彻底腐烂，那就是太阳所做的。所以研究自然，女人的角色就变得极其重要，没有什么好困惑的。

Women have ovaries, men have prostate gland, woman don't grow beard, men do, woman have a breast, man doesn't, she can get pregnant, man doesn't. Man doesn't even understand woman and the legislature in America is controlled by men and not by women. They don't understand what a woman go through pregnancy, they do not understand... Now this old thing that you cannot have an abortion. Wow, this was in those days that every tribe wanted more children to grow up and multiply and all that, today it is overgrown world. This is five billion people, no food, two-third of the people are in misery and one third of the people go hungry every night and we are producing.

女人有卵巢，男人有前列腺，女人不长胡子，男人长，女人有乳房，男人没有，她能怀孕，男人不能。男人甚至不理解女人，而美国的立法机构是由男人控制的，不是由女人控制的。他们不理解女人经历怀孕是什么样，他们不理解……现在这个老掉牙的说法，说你不能堕胎。哇，那是在那些日子里，每个部落都想要更多孩子来成长、繁衍等等，今天是人口过剩的世界。这是五十亿人，没有食物，三分之二的人处于苦难中，三分之一的人每晚挨饿，而我们还在生育。

I mean, this is something very shocking to a woman, to a man, to intelligent person, but you know, all intelligent person are not in control of life and America is going through heavy changes. America feels that this is a very deep Christian thought that you cannot have abortion and whereas the fact is there has been abortion all the time.

我的意思是，这对女人、对男人、对聪明人来说都是非常震惊的事，但你知道，所有聪明人并不掌控生活，而美国正在经历剧烈的变化。美国觉得不能堕胎是非常深刻的基督教思想，而事实是一直都有堕胎。

America feels that this is a very deep Christian thought that you cannot have abortion and whereas the fact is there has been abortion all the time.

美国觉得不能堕胎是非常深刻的基督教思想，而事实是一直都有堕胎。

I mean to say, even in Italy abortion is permissible and going on to that effect but now it is a question of right of life, right of not life. The question is that life, the soul which we discuss it, enters the body of the child on hundred-twentieth day. It's just like you have a house, you build it up, foundation and everything complete and then you come after later and have a party and inaugurate. Body does develop of the child within the woman but she has hundred twenty days to decide whether she is mentally, physically, economically and personally capable to carry that body and what, what happened is that woman never wanted a pregnancy, so lot of woman went on a pill.

我是说，即使在意大利，堕胎也是被允许的，而且还在这样进行，但现在这是一个生命权、非生命权的问题。问题在于，我们讨论的那个生命、那个灵魂，是在第 120 天进入孩子的身体的。就像你有一栋房子，你把它建起来，地基和一切都完成了，然后你后来才来办派对、举行落成典礼。孩子的身体确实是在女人体内发育的，但她有 120 天来决定自己在心理上、身体上、经济上和个人上是否有能力承载那个身体，而实际情况是，女人从来就不想要怀孕，所以很多女人开始吃避孕药。

So they don't want pregnancy at all.

所以她们根本不想要怀孕。

Danielle Lin: What happens to woman once she goes on the pill? What's really complicating?

Danielle Lin：女人一旦开始吃避孕药，会发生什么？真正让事情复杂的是什么？

went on a pill.

开始吃避孕药。

So they don't want pregnancy at all.

所以她们根本不想要怀孕。

Danielle Lin: What happens to woman once she goes on the pill? What's really complicating?

Danielle Lin：女人一旦开始吃避孕药，会发生什么？真正让事情复杂的是什么？

YB: Well, the question is when woman gets into a pill, it's a kind of what you call it a sudden, subtle pregnancy. It is just she gains weight, she gains lot of other things, it's a kind of a pregnancy she go through but it is so subtle, it is not very evident and if the woman control take Vitamin A, Vitamin E and Vitamin C, in heavy doses with the pill, I don't think it has any side effect. Provided the doctor just adjust the proper dose of the pill she requires. Some woman wants some different strength, some one have to go...

YB：嗯，问题在于，女人一旦吃上避孕药，那是一种你所谓的突然的、精微的怀孕。就是她体重增加，她还会增加很多别的东西，那是她经历的一种怀孕，但它是那么精微，并不很明显，如果女人控制着吃维生素 A、维生素 E 和维生素 C，大剂量地配合避孕药一起吃，我不认为它有什么副作用。前提是医生正好调整到她所需要的避孕药剂量。有些女人想要不同的强度，有些人得去……

It's, it, adjustment is there and once the adjustment is there, then the question is whether the blood will clot or not and then if the woman is very exercising woman and she has lot of Vitamin E, Vitamin A and she takes good care of herself, she can be all right.

它是，它，调整就在那里，一旦调整好了，那么问题就是血液会不会凝结，然后如果这个女人是非常爱运动的，她有很多维生素 E、维生素 A，而且她好好照顾自己，她就能没事。

not and then if the woman is very exercising woman and she has lot of Vitamin E, Vitamin A and she takes good care of herself, she can be all right.

会不会凝结，然后如果这个女人是非常爱运动的，她有很多维生素 E、维生素 A，而且她好好照顾自己，她就能没事。

Danielle Lin: So on the issue of abortion, when women, because a lot of women who have abortions or get pregnant, spiritual women, women who are aware of Karma, these things you go into a cycle, that, I am sure women are torn within, that's, they are being torn everyday, you know, you are, you are this horrible person for getting rid of the baby. Is there, is there...

Danielle Lin：那么关于堕胎这个问题，当女人，因为很多堕胎或怀孕的女人，灵性的女人，觉知 Karma 的女人，这些事情你会进入一个循环，那个，我相信女人内心是被撕裂的，那是，她们每天都在被撕裂，你知道，你，你因为摆脱掉孩子而成了这种可怕的人。有没有，有没有……

YB: No, I think, I think, I think, I think sex is impulse. Okay, intercourse is an impulse. You got hot, she got hot, you got to take care of it, all right. Now in that heat of circumstances if you get pregnant. Then it's not a pregnancy. It's not that you are really ready for it, right. And then you later on have a thought whether economically you can handle it, socially you can handle it, sometime two, both people are working, they cannot have a child and look what we are doing. We are having children and we have daycare center and night care center and whatever, (?) to do it. So family has to be totally understood and that right should be with a woman.

YB：不，我认为，我认为，我认为，我认为性是冲动。好吧，性交是一种冲动。你热了，她热了，你们就得处理它，好吧。在那种情形的热度里，如果你怀孕了。那就不算怀孕。并不是说你真的准备好了，对吧。然后你后来才想到，经济上你能不能应付，社会上你能不能应付，有时候两个人都在工作，他们不能要孩子，可看看我们在做什么。我们在生孩子，我们有日托中心、夜托中心，还有各种（？）来应付。所以家庭必须被完全理解，而那个权利应该属于女人。

we have daycare center and night care center and whatever, (?) to do it. So family has to be totally understood and that right should be with a woman.

我们有日托中心、夜托中心，还有各种（？）来应付。所以家庭必须被完全理解，而那个权利应该属于女人。

That right, I mean to say, I just heard even political people saying, "I am not for abortion, I am for adoption. " I mean, how sad and nobody understand when a woman gives birth to a child, it's a part of her. It's always part of her. It's a part of her even that child goes to the grave. It's a part of her. So if she wants to get that part not come out emotionally and confront her, then she feel that something is happening in her, she wants to get out of it, she should be given that right to get out of it and she is the one who has to carry.

那个权利，我是说，我甚至听到政界人士说：「我不支持堕胎，我支持领养。」我是说，多可悲啊，没人明白，当一个女人生下一个孩子，那是她的一部分。它永远是她的一部分。即使那个孩子进了坟墓，它也是她的一部分。所以如果她想让那部分不要情绪化地冒出来、跟她对峙，那么她感觉到自己内在有什么在发生，她想从中脱身，就应该给她那个脱身的权利，而她是那个必须承担的人。

that something is happening in her, she wants to get out of it, she should be given that right to get out of it and she is the one who has to carry.

她内在有什么在发生，她想从中脱身，就应该给她那个脱身的权利，而她是那个必须承担的人。

The best will course I think if God could have provided in every religion should have a petition with God that a woman get pregnant, man should start developing a breast. So later on when she delivers a baby he gives the child the milk. That's a combination, that's a fifty- fifty. There is no fifty-fifty in this situation. She has to carry the pregnancy, she has to develop the pregnancy, she has to go through the death and life, fight to deliver the baby, then she has to stay in to just nurture the baby, nurse the baby, she has a life responsibility from potty training to be a success of that person, prayer to spanking of the child.

最好的办法当然是，我想，如果神能在每个宗教里都安排一份给神的请愿书，让女人怀孕时，男人就开始长出乳房。这样后来她生下孩子，他就给孩子喂奶。那才是组合，那才是五十对五十。在这种情况下没有五十对五十。她必须怀着孕，她必须把孕养大，她必须经历死亡与生命，拼着命把孩子生下来，然后她还得留下来只是养育孩子、给孩子喂奶，她从如厕训练到那个人成功，从祈祷到打孩子屁股，都有一辈子的责任。

nurture the baby, nurse the baby, she has a life responsibility from potty training to be a success of that person, prayer to spanking of the child.

养育孩子、给孩子喂奶，她从如厕训练到那个人成功，从祈祷到打孩子屁股，都有一辈子的责任。

I mean to say, woman has a responsibility of the whole institution and today, not only that woman has to do all that, then she has to go to work. Seven o'clock in the morning, in the rush hour, bumper to bumper, she comes back in the evening, she has to have a meal ready, she has to see the husband's clothes are ready, she has to do the laundry at night, she has to put the children to bed, she has to see this homework is done, she is... What are you talking about? How much a woman... Well, woman is given a lot of nervous system and she has lot of strength but you can push to the brim and you want that everything is all right and then you blame woman are berserk.

我是说，女人肩负着整个制度的责任，而今天，不光要女人做这一切，她还得去上班。早上七点，在高峰时段，车挨着车，晚上回来，她得把饭准备好，她得看丈夫的衣服准备好了没有，她得在夜里洗衣服，她得哄孩子上床，她得看作业做完了没有，她……你在说什么？一个女人要承受多少……好吧，女人天生被赋予了很发达的神经系统，她有很大的力量，但你可以把她逼到极限，你还想要一切都好好的，然后你反过来怪女人发疯。

No, but they, you make them go berserk, they have to go to a psychiatrist and psychologist and that won't help either. Woman is not a assembly producing machine. Give woman her right, give her to be a woman. You are just... It's the old fashion, it's the same old thing.

不，可是他们，是你把她们逼疯的，她们不得不去看精神科医生和心理学家，而那也帮不上忙。女人不是一台组装生产的机器。把女人的权利还给女人，让她做女人。你只是……这是老一套，还是那套老东西。

Danielle Lin: What is her right?

Danielle Lin：她的权利是什么？

Give woman her right, give her to be a woman. You are just... It's the old fashion, it's the same old thing.

把女人的权利还给女人，让她做女人。你只是……这是老一套，还是那套老东西。

Danielle Lin: What is her right?

Danielle Lin：她的权利是什么？

YB: Her right is to be herself. She has to decide whether she wants the child or not, she wants to decide whether she wants to marry or not. She has the right to decide whether she can love or not. she can... A woman has to get up and think all around herself because man doesn't get pregnant and woman doesn't have a prostate. She has ovaries, she has four, five, six, two days of menstruation. She has to think, she has to understand her whole body becomes tender. Her metabolism changes, her whole style changes, she has to think. Problem is that we have trained the society, woman and man are equal. That's what goes for a man.

YB：她的权利就是做她自己。她得决定自己要不要孩子，她得决定自己要不要结婚。她有权决定自己能不能去爱。她能……女人必须站起来，把自己整个儿想清楚，因为男人不会怀孕，女人也没有前列腺。她有卵巢，她每个月有四天、五天、六天的月经。她必须去想，她必须明白自己整个身体都变得柔软。她的新陈代谢变了，她整个人的状态都变了，她必须去想。问题在于我们把社会训练成了女人和男人是平等的。那套东西是套在男人身上的。

Danielle Lin: So they are not equal. What's the difference?

Danielle Lin：所以他们并不平等。差别在哪儿？

is that we have trained the society, woman and man are equal. That's what goes for a man.

在于我们把社会训练成了女人和男人是平等的。那套东西是套在男人身上的。

Danielle Lin: So they are not equal. What's the difference?

Danielle Lin：所以他们并不平等。差别在哪儿？

YB: Oh, she is very sophisticated, delicate situation, had to be handled with care and with objectivity. If you get up out of the car and open the door for a woman, it's very fine because she doesn't have to bend and do all that, to have a, you know, back problem. She has a pelvis problem. Woman when delivers a child she, her pelvis open from six inches to eighteen inches. When did man's pelvic open eighteen inches? Who is he to even compare himself with her? And when we give a job a woman, 'all right you are out of job you got to work. ' You know what work you do? You take a jackhammer and go on the ground and work with the road crew. What are you talking about?

Yogi Bhajan：哦，她很精致，情况很微妙，必须带着小心、带着客观来处理。如果你下车，为一位女士开门，这非常好，因为她就不必弯腰去做那些动作，免得，你知道，落下背部的毛病。她有骨盆的问题。女人生孩子的时候，她的骨盆会从 6 英寸开到 18 英寸。男人的骨盆什么时候开到过 18 英寸？他算什么人，也敢拿自己跟她比？而我们给女人一份工作的时候，就说「行，你没工作了，你得去上班。」你知道你干的是什么活吗？你拿起风镐，到地上，跟修路队一起干活。你在说什么啊？

job you got to work. ' You know what work you do? You take a jackhammer and go on the ground and work with the road crew. What are you talking about?

你没工作了，你得去上班。你知道你干的是什么活吗？你拿起风镐，到地上，跟修路队一起干活。你在说什么啊？

What is, we have stretched ourself to a limit which just even nature laughs at us. What are we trying to do? We are going to create out of woman a really a robot, mechanical, stainless steel, process, manufacturing, child bearing factory? And after that when she is lose her sophistication, feeling, tenderness, kindness, compassion, all that and then you want to that she will nurture a child? What she will nurture? She will nurture a bullet which go through your head. That's not...

这是什么，我们把自己拉伸到了一个连大自然都笑话我们的极限。我们到底想干什么？我们要把女人造成一个真正的机器人、机械的、不锈钢的、流程化的、制造孩子的工厂吗？然后，等她失去了她的精致、感受、温柔、善良、慈悲，这一切都没了，你还想让她去养育孩子？她能养育出什么？她会养育出一颗子弹，穿过你的脑袋。那不是……

that and then you want to that she will nurture a child? What she will nurture? She will nurture a bullet which go through your head. That's not...

这一切都没了，你还想让她去养育孩子？她能养育出什么？她会养育出一颗子弹，穿过你的脑袋。那不是……

We are destroying woman whether we want to admit in America or not, we are out and out not caring. We are talking of future. Bush talks future, Dukakis talks of future, Americans talk of future. What is our future? Our future are our children. What we are doing to our children? Nuts, we are creating hard crack nuts. We are creating stones, we are not creating humans. Look what is going on in the street. Look what the murder rate is. Look what the stealing rate is. Look what the drugs are. All this comes from because that loving, tender hand of woman has gone dry, hard, scratchy and weary. Nail polish won't do it. And that's where the basic problem is today.

我们正在毁掉女人，不管在美国我们愿不愿意承认，我们就是彻头彻尾地不在乎。我们在谈未来。布什谈未来，杜卡基斯谈未来，美国人谈未来。我们的未来是什么？我们的未来就是我们的孩子。我们对我们的孩子做了什么？疯子，我们正在造出硬壳的疯子。我们在造石头，我们不是在造人。看看街上正在发生什么。看看谋杀率是多少。看看偷盗率是多少。看看毒品是什么样。这一切之所以出现，是因为女人那双充满爱、温柔的手已经变得干枯、坚硬、粗糙、疲惫。指甲油救不了它。而这就是今天根本问题所在。

We got to wake up, we got to understand.

我们必须醒来，我们必须明白。

Danielle Lin: So how do we do it in this world where economic problems are everywhere, women have to work because their husbands quite often aren't making as much money. What and what do we do about that? How do women really work in the society that it is?

Danielle Lin：那么在这个经济问题无处不在的世界里，我们该怎么做呢？女人不得不工作，因为她们的丈夫常常挣得不够多。那我们该怎么办？女人到底该如何在这样一个社会里工作？

because their husbands quite often aren't making as much money. What and what do we do about that? How do women really work in the society that it is?

因为她们的丈夫往往赚得没那么多。那我们该怎么办？在这个社会里，女人到底该怎么真正地运作？

YB: Yeah. Woman has to understand now there are twenty four hours. Eight hours she has to work, eight hours she has to give it to herself and eight hours she has to rest, sleep and be a woman. Now in those terms it looks very easy but it's not practical. Some people will say it's not practical. What's practical? Practical is that this is what a woman is. And if the, you woman are listening let me tell you practical what you are.

YB：是的。女人现在必须明白，一天有 24 小时。8 小时她得工作，8 小时她得给自己，8 小时她得休息、睡觉，做个女人。这么一说好像很容易，但并不实际。有人会说这不实际。什么才实际？实际就是，女人就是这个样子。如果你们女人在听，让我告诉你，你实际是什么。

You are expected to carry a man on your back. Make him feel good and at night you have to give him all the sex he needs and all the fantasies he wants and then your dress up better than that you can be attractive, then you have to bear children and not get pregnant. You have to bring money without work. You know, we expect from woman so much today but I am not going into that but I am just talking to the woman. Woman has to wake up to decide to be woman. It's a decision making problem which woman has got. Woman do not make the decision they are woman.

人们指望你把一个男人背在背上。让他感觉良好，到了晚上你还得满足他所有的性需求、他所有的幻想，然后你还得打扮得比他好，好让自己有吸引力，然后你还得生孩子，还不能怀孕。你得不用工作就有钱。你知道，今天我们向女人要求这么多，但我不打算深入这些，我只是在跟女人说话。女人必须醒来，决定做个女人。这是女人面临的一个做决定的问题。女人没有做出决定，她们是女人。

woman. Woman has to wake up to decide to be woman. It's a decision making problem which woman has got. Woman do not make the decision they are woman. They think they can be man and because of that they are being exploited. And man has always an idea. All are equal.

女人。女人必须醒来，决定做个女人。这是女人面临的一个做决定的问题。女人没有做出决定，她们是女人。她们以为自己能当男人，正因为如此，她们才被剥削。而男人一直有个想法。人人平等。

Danielle Lin: Do you think that they want to be men or that the society and the situation...

Danielle Lin：你觉得是她们想当男人，还是社会和环境……

YB: Pressure, pressure. It's, it's a very grinding pressure on a woman today. It is so grinding, you know, "Honey let's go to the party, I admitted to my friend, you know, we got to go. " All that's what he says. She has to dress up, she has to come down, she has to cater to she.. And then after eleven thirty when they come to party, early in the morning seven o'clock she has to push her children to the school, she has to make the breakfast, she'll do the whole thing and you know what will happen? Then he'll look at her, "Ha, you didn't press my shirt right. " I mean, this is what is going.

YB：压力，压力。今天压在女人身上的，是一种非常磨人的压力。它太磨人了，你知道，「亲爱的，咱们去参加派对吧，我跟朋友说了，你知道，我们得去。」他说的就是这些。她得打扮好，她得下楼来，她得伺候这个那个……然后十一点半参加完派对，一大早七点她还得把孩子赶去学校，她得做早饭，她得把这一切都做完，你知道会发生什么吗？然后他会看着她，「哈，你没把我的衬衫熨好。」我是说，事情就是这样。

do the whole thing and you know what will happen? Then he'll look at her, "Ha, you didn't press my shirt right. " I mean, this is what is going.

把这一切都做完，你知道会发生什么吗？然后他会看着她，「哈，你没把我的衬衫熨好。」我是说，事情就是这样。

Woman has to understand whatever the pressure is of the society, of the economics, of the social structure, of the religion, of everything but in America woman have to change themself again and they have to work themself to the fact that they have to come out with the idea that they have the right as a woman and they have to identify. That's what this movement is about. Woman is a woman is a woman is a woman and I think every woman is now wakening up. Not enough.

女人必须明白，无论压力来自社会、经济、社会结构、宗教，还是其他一切，但在美国，女人必须再次改变自己，她们必须努力让自己认识到，她们作为女人拥有权利，她们必须认同这一点。这场运动就是关于这个的。女人就是女人就是女人就是女人，我认为现在每个女人都在觉醒。但还不够。

Danielle Lin: All right. Well, on that note, what we are going to do is, we are going to... Take a break and when we come back, we are going to talk about the realities of being in relationship, how to keep your man loyal, how to be happy and be fulfilled and stay with us, we'll be back here on the Danielle Lin Show.

Danielle Lin：好的。那么，说到这里，我们要做的是，我们要……休息一下，回来后我们要谈谈关系中的现实，如何让你的男人保持忠诚，如何快乐、如何满足，请继续收听，我们马上回来，这里是 Danielle Lin Show。

(There is a commercial advertisement about digestive system played)

（播放了一段关于消化系统的商业广告）

and be fulfilled and stay with us, we'll be back here on the Danielle Lin Show.

并得到满足，请继续收听，我们马上回来，这里是 Danielle Lin Show。

(There is a commercial advertisement about digestive system played)

（播放了一段关于消化系统的商业广告）

All right. Well, you are listening, this is the Danielle Lin show, we are here with Yogi Bhajan and we are talking about women and all of the problems and issues and we are going to take our music break as we like to do at this moment in the show and then when we come back and get into the issue of relationships.

好的。你在收听的是 Danielle Lin Show，我们请到了 Yogi Bhajan，我们正在谈论女人以及所有的问题和议题，现在我们要像往常一样在节目中播放一段音乐休息一下，然后回来后进入关系这个话题。

(There is a music played)

（播放了一段音乐）

Danielle Lin: All right, well she is a woman, a little off the beaten track from the kind of music we normally play here, that mellow, soft stuff that you, you are in the ethers. That's by the Beatles and of course things (?) John Lennon and all that. Issues that we thought, we'd put in, she is woman by the Beatles.

Danielle Lin：好的，她是个女人，这首歌跟我们平时播放的音乐有点不同，那些柔和、舒缓的东西，让你飘在以太里。那是披头士的歌，当然还有 John Lennon 那些东西。我们觉得应该放进来的一些议题，她是女人，披头士的歌。

the ethers. That's by the Beatles and of course things (?) John Lennon and all that. Issues that we thought, we'd put in, she is woman by the Beatles.

以太里。那是披头士的歌，当然还有 John Lennon 那些东西。我们觉得应该放进来的一些议题，她是女人，披头士的歌。

We are on the Danielle Lin show and we are talking with Yogi Bhajan about women and the issues that we have to deal with. Now I know there are some women out there that have things going on in their life that we would really like to share with you and find out how are you coping, how are you doing the things in your life that are going on. What about the problems. Have you got something that we can talk about that, may be if you share with us, we can share with other women. So, if you want to participate, the number is 3798255.

你在收听 Danielle Lin Show，我们正在和 Yogi Bhajan 谈论女人以及我们必须面对的问题。我知道有些女性，她们生活中正发生着一些事情，我们很想和你们分享，了解你是如何应对的，你是如何处理你生活中正在发生的事情的。那些问题呢？你有没有什么我们可以聊一聊的，也许如果你和我们分享，我们就能和其他女性分享。所以，如果你想参与，电话号码是 3798255。

I know on these kind of programs, at least on my show you are not used to calling in but we'd love you to participate and just hear what some of your frustrations really are. And just as a woman's point of view. You know, you are, you are a man.

我知道在这类节目里，至少在我的节目里，你们不习惯打电话进来，但我们很希望你能参与，听听你真正的挫败是什么。就从女人的角度来说。你知道，你是，你是个男人。

YB: Correct.

YB：没错。

Danielle Lin: So, you are teaching women how to be women and I am sure there is a lot of women that say to themselves...

Danielle Lin：所以，你在教女人怎么做女人，我肯定有很多女人会对自己说……

you are a man.

你是个男人。

YB: Correct.

YB：没错。

Danielle Lin: So, you are teaching women how to be women and I am sure there is a lot of women that say to themselves...

Danielle Lin：所以，你在教女人怎么做女人，我肯定有很多女人会对自己说……

YB: I am a born of a woman, so I came out of the woman, so I know not much of the feeling and my personal attitude is not that I am catering to woman or I am teaching to woman. I believe that if a woman is a woman, a woman is a woman, the problem of the whole world can be solved. It's not that something I am worried about. The kind of camp I am teaching five, six weeks is just to get them out of all their wilderness and pressures and so that this camp is run by woman, it is managed by woman, we talk about all about woman, every aspect of a woman.

YB：我是女人生的，所以我是从女人那里出来的，所以我知道的并不多，也谈不上有什么感受，而我个人的态度并不是我在迎合女人，或者我在教女人。我相信，如果女人像个女人，女人就是女人，整个世界的难题都能解决。这不是我担心的事。我教的那种营地，五、六个星期，只是要让她们走出自己所有的迷茫和压力，所以这个营地是由女人办的，由女人管理的，我们谈的全是女人，女人的每一个面向。

It's a kind of release, it's a kind of relief to woman and when they go back they can serve twelve months and out of that, eleven months very well, in a year, whatever the time they attended the camp. The idea is not...

它是一种释放，对女人来说是一种解脱，等她们回去，就能服务十二个月，而在一年里，其中十一个月都服务得很好，不管她们参加营地多久。这个想法不是……

go back they can serve twelve months and out of that, eleven months very well, in a year, whatever the time they attended the camp. The idea is not...

回去以后她们能服务十二个月，而在一年里，其中十一个月都服务得很好，不管她们参加营地多久。这个想法不是……

Idea came to me for a woman camp was that when I found in the world there is only one place where there is no divorce and there is no problem. So I studied that and I found out when the monsoon season come every woman goes to her parents' house with children. So they go, they relax, you know, they take care of themself and the parents are very happy. When they come back they are fresh, they are rejuvenated, the children are well to done and then they go to the daily routine of 'I love you, I miss you,' all that for a month or two, then 'you are not doing this, you are not doing this,' that a month or two. 'We are planning this, we are planning that,' that's a month or two.

女人营地的想法来到我这里，是因为我发现世界上只有一个地方没有离婚，也没有问题。于是我研究了它，我发现，每当雨季来临，每个女人都会带着孩子回娘家。她们回去，放松，你知道，她们照顾自己，父母也很高兴。等她们回来，她们焕然一新，恢复了活力，孩子也养得好好的，然后她们进入日常的「我爱你，我想你」，所有这些，过一两个月，然后「你没做这个，你没做这个」，又是一两个月。「我们在计划这个，我们在计划那个」，又是一两个月。

'Honey we are not getting along,' month or two, 'it's getting very tough and rough, honey,' and by that time the monsoon comes and the woman leaves. You know

「亲爱的，我们处不来」，一两个月，「越来越难，越来越粗糙了，亲爱的」，到那时候雨季来了，女人就走了。你知道

(YB laughs)

（YB 笑）

Danielle Lin: So there is really a natural psycho.

Danielle Lin：所以真的有一种自然的心理。

and rough, honey,' and by that time the monsoon comes and the woman leaves. You know

越来越粗糙了，亲爱的」，到那时候雨季来了，女人就走了。你知道

(YB laughs)

（YB 笑）

Danielle Lin: So there is really a natural psycho.

Danielle Lin：所以真的有一种天生的心理。

YB: It's a natural psycho. So what I thought is that why not to provide every woman the opportunity to get (?) of divorce. Divorce means children will not have one parents and this and that. It's a very painful process and actually divorce is such a wonderful thing after that the values of the marriage start actually. I have never seen a man going every Saturday, "I can't do today something because I am to pick up my child and I have to be with him the whole day. " And they cater like a nursery nurse you know, these children. These guys should have been doing that when they were married.

YB：这是一种天生的心理。所以我想的是，为什么不给每个女人机会去获得（？）离婚。离婚意味着孩子不会只有一个父母，还有这个那个。这是一个非常痛苦的过程，而实际上离婚是件很奇妙的事，之后婚姻的价值才真正开始。我从未见过一个男人每个星期六都说：“我今天不能做什么，因为我要去接我的孩子，我得陪他一整天。”他们像托儿所的保姆一样照顾这些孩子，你知道的。这些家伙本该在结婚时就做这些事。

with him the whole day. " And they cater like a nursery nurse you know, these children. These guys should have been doing that when they were married.

陪他一整天。”他们像托儿所的保姆一样照顾这些孩子，你知道的。这些家伙本该在结婚时就做这些事。

And it's a very fun and look at them the beggar standing outside the door and saying, "I want to pick up my child. " Damn fellow, you should have been there all along, it was your child. But you lost your right because of that but fundamentally what I thought is that best way to get rid of all these divorces and all this, give woman a chance when it come to a point, 'I can't stand you, you cannot stand me,' she is off to the camp, nurture herself, the guy has to pay for the camp, make all the money, do all that, so he's busy in doing something else and they compensate. There are basic fundamental problems which have absolute correct right solution.

这很有趣，看看他们，乞丐站在门外说：“我想接我的孩子。”该死的家伙，你本该一直在那里，那是你的孩子。但你因此失去了你的权利，但根本上我想的是，摆脱所有这些离婚和这一切的最好办法，是给女人一个机会，当到了某个点，‘我受不了你，你也受不了我，’她就去营地，滋养自己，男人得为营地付钱，赚所有的钱，做所有那些事，所以他忙于做别的事，他们就这样补偿。有一些基本的根本问题，有绝对正确的解决方案。

Danielle Lin: And what are they?

Danielle Lin：那是什么？

YB: You know.

YB：你知道的。

Danielle Lin: How do you keep your relationships alive besides going at the monsoon season?

Danielle Lin：除了在雨季去之外，你如何让你的关系保持活力？

YB: Do you want a one word answer?

YB：你想要一个词的答案吗？

Danielle Lin: Hmm.

Danielle Lin：嗯。

Lin: How do you keep your relationships alive besides going at the monsoon season?

Lin：除了在雨季去之外，你如何让你的关系保持活力？

YB: Do you want a one word answer?

YB：你想要一个词的答案吗？

Danielle Lin: Hmm.

Danielle Lin：嗯。

YB: Be straight and simple. Do not do this Maya business, you do not do this manufacturing of laying number on men. No. Win... Eyes don't lie. Put your eyes into the eyes of man and find out he belongs to you or not. Then try to cheat yourself. Woman normally deceive themself in the allurement of, appeasement of, the factualness of. Some woman think the money can solve the problems if they go after rich man. Some people think muscle can do it. They go for that, some go for the power trip for that but ultimately it doesn't matter what the outside world gives you. Inside as a woman you have to deal with that. Outside cannot deal your inside. That one woman has to understand.

YB：直截了当，简单。不要搞这套幻象（Maya）的把戏，不要搞这套给男人编号的制造。不。赢……眼睛不会说谎。把你的眼睛放进男人的眼睛里，找出他是否属于你。然后试着欺骗自己。女人通常在诱惑、安抚、事实性中欺骗自己。有些女人认为如果她们追求有钱男人，钱可以解决问题。有些人认为肌肉可以做到。她们为此而去，有些为了权力游戏而去，但最终外部世界给你什么都不重要。作为女人，你必须在内在处理它。外部无法处理你的内在。那一个女人必须明白。

Every woman has to understand. Everybody understand that the best course for a woman is to be straight and simple. I cannot handle it or I can handle it. I think everybody has to graduate before marriage. They should really graduate to find out...

每个女人都必须明白。每个人都明白，女人最好的路就是直截了当、简单。我应付不了，或者我应付得了。我认为每个人都必须在结婚前毕业。她们真该先毕业，去弄清楚……

and simple. I cannot handle it or I can handle it. I think everybody has to graduate before marriage. They should really graduate to find out...

简单。我应付不了，或者我应付得了。我认为每个人都必须在结婚前毕业。她们真该先毕业，去弄清楚……

Actually dating was not to emotionally satisfy each other. Dating was to develop an understanding. What is understand means? Stand under. If one stand under the other, the other stand under the other, matter is settled. In relationship we do not develop understanding. We do not understand what other person can do? What the capacities are? What the faculties are? What the facilities are?

其实约会不是为了在情感上互相满足。约会是为了发展出理解。理解是什么意思？站在下面。如果一个人站在另一个人下面，另一个人站在另一个人下面，事情就定了。在关系里，我们并没有发展出理解。我们不明白对方能做什么？能力是什么？官能是什么？便利条件是什么？

Faculty, facilities and projections are not considered when we decide situation. Romance is a very lowering situation. Everything is sweet, deet and dandy but when it comes to hit the reality then you have to heat up the water to make the cup of tea. So basically each woman has to today, today, I didn't say yesterday. Yesterday you were sold in the markets you know woman was sold in the market like sheeps and goats and camels and that's a old tradition. It's a very old middle east tradition. It's a, it happens in Bethlehem, it happens in Israel what you call, it happen in Palestine, it happen in all that area.

当我们决定一段关系时，官能、便利条件和投射都没有被考虑进去。浪漫是一种非常拉低人的状态。一切都甜蜜、美好、顺当，可一旦要撞上现实，你就得把水烧热，才能泡出一杯茶。所以基本上，今天每个女人都必须——今天，我没说昨天。昨天你在市场上被卖掉，你知道，女人像绵羊、山羊、骆驼一样在市场上被卖掉，那是个老传统。那是个非常古老的中东传统。它发生在伯利恒，发生在以色列，你们叫的那个地方，发生在巴勒斯坦，发生在那一整片地区。

old middle east tradition. It's a, it happens in Bethlehem, it happens in Israel what you call, it happen in Palestine, it happen in all that area.

古老的中东传统。它发生在伯利恒，发生在以色列，你们叫的那个地方，发生在巴勒斯坦，发生在那一整片地区。

So it's a old tradition to slave a woman and sell her and woman is a maid and the jobs given to woman normally are that today they are waitresses and today they are secretaries and today they are, you know, that kind of a job and there is always a tradition in a man but woman has always risen to a high position too. And they have capacity and capabilities not to be undermined. It's not to be misunderstood.

所以把女人当奴隶、把她卖掉，是个老传统，女人是女仆，通常给女人的工作就是——今天她们是女服务员，今天她们是秘书，今天她们是，你知道，那种工作，男人身上总有这么个传统，但女人也一直有人升到很高的位置。她们有能力、有本事，不该被贬低。不该被误解。

Danielle Lin: The way... Those are changing now, I mean, we don't sell women in, you know, village now. Women are now the presidents of companies. Like you said they are having to deal with being out there. Well, what do you think it actually does in the structure as a man-woman relationship and like how, how is it going to affect the future that have women in society, in that world and what they used to call a man's world and (?) they can deal with?

Danielle Lin：那种方式……现在这些都在改变，我是说，我们现在不会在村子里卖女人了。女人现在是公司的总裁。就像你说的，她们不得不去面对在外打拼这件事。那么，你觉得这在男人与女人关系的结构里，实际上起了什么作用？还有，女人进入社会、进入那个世界——那个他们过去称为男人的世界——会怎样影响未来，她们能应付得了吗？

how is it going to affect the future that have women in society, in that world and what they used to call a man's world and (?) they can deal with?

女性进入社会、进入那个他们过去称之为男人的世界，并且能够应对，这会怎样影响未来？

YB: Yeah, a woman has... To enter man's world and be there successful, woman has to sacrifice a lot. And my feeling is that woman has not to sacrifice anything. I think woman has not to sacrifice her delicacy, her behavior, her wearing dress and being beautiful and pretty and still be effective. A woman has to not sacrifice her motherhood for being successful in the man's world and woman because woman has to start seeking that if he is a earning member then somebody has to come through also with the household help.

YB：是的，一个女人要……要进入男人的世界并在那里成功，女人必须牺牲很多。而我的感觉是，女人不必牺牲任何东西。我认为女人不必牺牲她的柔美、她的举止、她的穿着打扮，不必牺牲美丽和漂亮，同时仍然卓有成效。女人不必为了在男人的世界里成功而牺牲她的母性，而且女人，因为女人必须开始寻求，如果他是挣钱养家的那个人，那么也得有人来分担家务。

Danielle Lin: Well, if he is not the earning member, what if he is not making as much money, what does she do then and how do they do it as a couple?

Danielle Lin：那如果他不是挣钱养家的那个人呢，如果他挣的钱没那么多呢，那她怎么办，他们作为一对夫妻又该怎么处理？

Danielle Lin: Well, if he is not the earning member, what if he is not making as much money, what does she do then and how do they do it as a couple?

Danielle Lin：那如果他不是挣钱养家的那个人呢，如果他挣的钱没那么多呢，那她怎么办，他们作为一对夫妻又该怎么处理？

YB: Well, if, if man is not making enough money and the need is that both have to work, then both have to share life, then exactly what you call is fifty-fifty. And I have seen some couples which are very successful and the women are very reasonable and men are very reasonable. I have seen the woman cooking the party dinner and I have also seen man wearing an apron cleaning all the dishes and he did not mind it. And also I saw him when she was entertaining the guest and serving them the coffee and all that, he was up there making children's bed. I saw it myself. So I realized there are some men who understand the house work. I mean, this what I say, there is a understanding, there is for.

YB：那，如果，如果男人挣的钱不够，而需要两个人都工作，那么两个人都得分享生活，那就正是你说的五五开。我见过一些非常成功的夫妻，女人非常通情达理，男人也非常通情达理。我见过女人做宴会的晚餐，我也见过男人系着围裙洗所有的碗碟，他并不介意。我还见过，当她在招待客人、给他们端咖啡什么的，他在那边铺孩子的床。我亲眼见过。所以我意识到，有些男人是懂家务的。我的意思是，这就是我说的，有一种理解，有一种……

bed. I saw it myself. So I realized there are some men who understand the house work. I mean, this what I say, there is a understanding, there is for.

床。我亲眼见过。所以我意识到，有些男人是懂家务的。我的意思是，这就是我说的，有一种理解，有一种……

You know man and woman relationship is based on one thing - are they for each other or they are with each other or they are at each other; these three situation will decide everything. If a woman expect everything from a man she is not going to get all. She is going to be miserable. If a man is going to expect everything from a man(woman)... If you do not deliver the mail message is not going to reach. So for woman and a man there is a fundamental situation which they have to understand that this is this world today is very well knitted world. It's a very intertwined world. And a man and woman cannot give everything to a romance. Loyalty question.

你知道，男人和女人的关系建立在一件事上——他们是彼此为对方，还是彼此在一起，还是彼此对着干；这三种情况会决定一切。如果一个女人指望男人给她一切，她不会全都得到。她会很痛苦。如果一个男人指望男人（女人）给他一切……如果你不投递，邮件就送不到。所以对一个女人和一个男人来说，有一个根本的状况，他们必须明白，今天这个世界是一个编织得非常紧密的世界。它是一个非常交织的世界。而一个男人和一个女人不能把一切都交给浪漫。忠诚的问题。

When a woman become pregnant she's going to be mother of the child, the man freaks out. He doesn't know what to do. He is not experienced, he is not understand.

当一个女人怀孕，她要成为孩子的母亲，男人就慌了。他不知道该怎么办。他没有经验，他不懂。

become pregnant she's going to be mother of the child, the man freaks out. He doesn't know what to do. He is not experienced, he is not understand.

怀孕，她要成为孩子的母亲，男人就慌了。他不知道该怎么办。他没有经验，他不懂。

Do you know twenty percent marriages totally boomed on the first pregnancy and it happens in the people who just loved each other, they couldn't even miss each other for a minute? Because after pregnancy woman is not that. She is into the motherhood. She is have to that process and man is not trained how to handle it. They run around, they find somebody else, there it goes. You understand that basically when there are three children in the house and the middle age has reached in and woman has grown up and handling and she has gone worn out by all that, man just berserk, they just pack up and leave a note, 'sorry honey, couldn't take it anymore. '

你知道吗，百分之二十的婚姻在第一次怀孕时就彻底崩了，而且这偏偏发生在那些彼此深爱、一分钟都离不开对方的人身上？因为怀孕之后，女人就不是原来那样了。她进入了母性。她必须经历那个过程，而男人没有受过训练去应对它。他们到处乱跑，找别人，就这样完了。你明白吗，基本上当家里有三个孩子，中年到了，女人已经成熟、能应付了，她已经被这一切磨得精疲力竭，男人就发疯了，他们收拾行李留下一张字条，「对不起，亲爱的，我再也受不了了。」

Danielle Lin: So how do women deal with that? I mean, it happens all the time and it happens everywhere?

Danielle Lin：那女人怎么应对这个？我是说，这种事一直在发生，到处都在发生？

'sorry honey, couldn't take it anymore. '

「对不起，亲爱的，我再也受不了了。」

Danielle Lin: So how do women deal with that? I mean, it happens all the time and it happens everywhere?

Danielle Lin：那女人怎么应对这个？我是说，这种事一直在发生，到处都在发生？

YB: Well, that's called family planning. Woman has to plan for eventual reasons, for all she... Woman should be happy for the best and ready for the worst. Woman has to come through it. I don't see woman can get out of this problem. I am sorry womans, you can't. You get pregnant, we don't and therefore the value, the pressure, the demand, the need, the fulfillment which a woman has to come through, man has not to. So just expecting and preparing not for the eventuality... That's what this abortion issue is. That's what the woman issue is. That's what woman right issue is. Wagery, wage issue, can you believe that's one of the latest situation.

YB：嗯，那叫家庭计划。女人必须为可能发生的事做打算，为她所有……女人应该为最好的情况而欢喜，为最坏的情况而准备。女人必须挺过去。我看不出女人能摆脱这个问题。女人们，对不起，你们摆脱不了。你们怀孕，我们不怀，所以那份价值、压力、要求、需要、那份女人必须经历的圆满，男人不必经历。所以只是期待，却不准备应对可能发生的事……这就是堕胎议题的实质。这就是女人议题的实质。这就是女权议题的实质。工资啦，薪酬议题啦，你能相信这是最新的状况之一吗。

issue is. That's what the woman issue is. That's what woman right issue is. Wagery, wage issue, can you believe that's one of the latest situation.

议题的实质。这就是女人议题的实质。这就是女权议题的实质。工资啦，薪酬议题啦，你能相信这是最新的状况之一吗。

Women's are not paid for the same work, the same amount as men are paid. Why? What is the difference? Because in society today in nineteen eighty eight today the differentiation that woman is inferior, woman cannot be equal, woman can be considered but in certain area woman are superior, they are fine, they are intelligent, they are workable, they can handle it. So problem is, today we are going through the very, what you call it broiling situation of the situation where woman is exerting her right and man is clinging to the old thoughts that he can get away with it. She can cook, she can keep the household, she can bear the children plus she can go and earn the money.

女人做同样的工作，拿不到和男人一样的报酬。为什么？差别在哪里？因为在一九八八年今天的这个社会里，那种区分——女人低人一等，女人不可能平等，女人可以被考虑，但在某些领域女人更优越，她们不错，她们聪明，她们能干，她们应付得来。所以问题在于，今天我们正处在一个非常、你们怎么说的，煎熬的局面里：女人在伸张她的权利，男人却抱着旧念头不放，以为自己还能蒙混过去。她能做饭，她能持家，她能生孩子，再加上她还能出去挣钱。

That's where the problem is.

问题就出在这里。

Danielle Lin: So what's the one thing that woman can do? What's the one thing? Is there one thing that woman should know to keep that relationship (?)? Is there something about men that women really don't understand besides everything? But to keep that connection there...

Danielle Lin：那女人能做的一件事是什么？那一件事是什么？有没有一件事是女人该知道、好维持那段关系的？关于男人，有没有什么是女人除了别的之外其实并不真正理解的？但要维持那份连接……

keep that relationship (?)? Is there something about men that women really don't understand besides everything? But to keep that connection there...

维持那段关系？关于男人，有没有什么是女人除了别的之外其实并不真正理解的？但要维持那份连接……

YB: It is very, very easy thing. It happens in the bed and that's what... I am going to get into the bed right under the what you call it under the sheets.

YB：这是非常、非常容易的事。它发生在床上，那就是……我要钻进床里，就在你们说的那个，就在被子底下。

Danielle Lin: Hold on for this one because we are going to come right back, we are going to take a break and when we get back we'll follow up on that note. We are here on the Danielle Lin show, stay with us.

Danielle Lin：这一段先别走开，因为我们马上就回来，我们要休息一下，回来之后我们就接着这个话题往下谈。这里是 Danielle Lin 秀，请和我们在一起。

(There is a commercial advertisement about water)

（有一段关于水的商业广告）

Danielle Lin: All right, if you have just joined us, this is the Danielle Lin show, I am Danielle Lin as you might have guessed and we are with Yogi Bhajan and we are talking about women and the complexities of trying to be a woman. Sometimes you know, I guess one of the main things which I do on this program is find solutions and this is one of those issues or topics that is kind of hard to find a solution because you know, you ask, 'What is a woman, who am I? What am I supposed to be?

Danielle Lin：好，如果你刚加入我们，这里是 Danielle Lin 秀，你可能已经猜到了，我是 Danielle Lin，我们请到了 Yogi Bhajan，我们在谈女人，谈做一个女人有多复杂。有时候你知道，我想我在这档节目里做的主要事情之一就是找解决办法，而这就是那种很难找到解决办法的议题或话题之一，因为你知道，你会问：「女人是什么，我是谁？我该成为什么？

one of those issues or topics that is kind of hard to find a solution because you know, you ask, 'What is a woman, who am I? What am I supposed to be?

那种很难找到解决办法的议题或话题之一，因为你知道，你会问：「女人是什么，我是谁？我该成为什么？

How am I going to be and how do I get up in the morning, pay my rent, do all those things, be a wife, be a mom, be all the aspects of a woman which women are just getting to the point that they really are starting to find out that you know, fifty years ago, I don't know if psychologically women were that much different. May be, they, I think they probably were. But life was a little bit simpler in terms of being who you were. You, you grew up, you got married at early age, you became a mom, you lived your life, may be your husband, you know, who was loyal to you, may be he wasn't. But we didn't have to deal in a lot of ways, may be, depressions and world events. But not (?)

我该怎么活，早上怎么爬起来，付房租，做所有这些事，当妻子，当妈妈，当一个女人所有的面向——女人们现在才刚刚开始真正发现，你知道，五十年前，我不确定女人在心理上是不是有那么大的不同。也许吧，我觉得她们大概是的。但那时候的生活，就做你自己而言，要简单一点。你长大，早早结婚，当了妈妈，过完你的一生，也许你丈夫，你知道，对你忠诚，也许他不忠诚。但我们在很多方面不用去应付，也许，抑郁和世界大事。但不是（？）

you know, who was loyal to you, may be he wasn't. But we didn't have to deal in a lot of ways, may be, depressions and world events. But not (?)

你知道，对你忠诚，也许他不忠诚。但我们在很多方面不用去应付，也许，抑郁和世界大事。但不是（？）

'Should I be a psychologist, and if I am a psychologist how should I invest my money in, should I buy this car or that car,' I mean, there is a lot of stuff that are mundane things that we have to deal with and then on top of it, trying to figure out of how to raise a child properly and be a great wife and be a sensual wife and before we left and took our commercial break you mentioned that, it's all under the covers.

「我该不该当心理学家，如果我当了心理学家，我该怎么投资我的钱，我该买这辆车还是那辆车，」我是说，有一大堆琐碎的事要应付，然后在这之上，还要想办法怎么把孩子养好，怎么当一个好妻子，怎么当一个性感妻子，在我们离开去插广告之前你提到过，这一切都在被子底下。

YB: Yeah, basically you have to understand that woman today is entering man's arena. Before that woman has her woman job. She was a head, householder, she was carrying the house, man went out and came back, socialized, makes the dates, appointments, she went along with that, Mr. and Mrs., relationship was continued. Today is not. Today woman is right there and man is right there. Today woman is doing totally what man used to do. So because they both have to do the same thing, it's a question of movement and to go out in the market she has to work it out but let us get under the sheets.

YB：是的，基本上你得明白，今天的女人正在进入男人的地盘。在那之前，女人有女人的活儿。她是一家之主，操持家务，她撑着这个家，男人出去又回来，社交，定约会、定日程，她跟着走，先生和太太，关系就这么延续下去。今天不是这样了。今天女人就在那儿，男人也在那儿。今天女人完全在做男人过去做的事。所以因为两个人都得做同样的事，这就是个行动的问题，要走进市场她就得把它搞定，但让我们掀开被子看看。

they both have to do the same thing, it's a question of movement and to go out in the market she has to work it out but let us get under the sheets. Woman and man fall in love, they are hot, they had a intercourse.

两个人都得做同样的事，这就是个行动的问题，要走进市场她就得把它搞定，但让我们掀开被子看看。女人和男人坠入爱河，他们欲火中烧，他们做爱了。

G point and clitoris and God knows what, everything came through or she came with a optimum point and he came optimum point.

G点、阴蒂，天知道还有什么，全都来了，或者她到了那个最佳点，他也到了那个最佳点。

You know what happened? Man turn around start snoring and she gets up and baby is crying, this is happening, bathroom's sink is leaking and all that. Have you seen that? Now that kind of nervous system is what a woman is supposed to meet out today because basically whether man is man or not, because man will never admit his weaknesses and his (?) weakness. Basically therefore the woman has to understand today. Today the roles have changed. There is a much wider pressure on a woman and therefore woman has to basically have a more exercise, more nervous system, more bearing capacity. Over and all, there is a one solution to it. She has to be straight and honest.

你知道发生了什么吗？男人翻个身开始打呼噜，她爬起来，宝宝在哭，这事在发生，洗手间的下水槽在漏水，还有那一堆事。你见过吗？今天女人要应对的，就是这种神经系统。因为基本上，不管男人是不是男人，男人永远不会承认自己的弱点和他（？）的弱点。所以基本上，今天女人必须明白。今天角色已经变了。女人身上的压力大得多，所以女人基本上要有更多的锻炼、更强的神经系统、更大的承受力。说到底，只有一个解决办法。她必须直接、诚实。

have a more exercise, more nervous system, more bearing capacity. Over and all, there is a one solution to it. She has to be straight and honest.

要有更多的锻炼、更强的神经系统、更大的承受力。说到底，只有一个解决办法。她必须直接、诚实。

Straight and honest, shortcut method. When she cannot handle it, she cannot. Rather than freaking out and being moody and going berserk and creating a trauma and a drama to get your things through, just sit down and say, "Look honey, I can't do it. You understand? I hope you will. Now drive me back to home. This is the end of the day. " They don't, they linger on.

直接、诚实，这是捷径。她应付不了，就是应付不了。与其抓狂、闹情绪、发疯，制造一场创伤和一场戏来把事情办成，不如坐下来直接说：「听着，亲爱的，我做不到。你明白吗？我希望你能明白。现在送我回家。今天到此为止。」他们不，他们拖着不走。

Danielle Lin: What happens to women who are single? Who are out there, I mean, now let's talk on a more, not necessarily esoteric basis but I have heard you mention...

Danielle Lin：那单身女性呢？那些在外面的女性，我是说，现在我们聊得更……不一定非得是玄秘的层面，但我听你提到过……

YB: Practical.

YB：实际的。

Danielle Lin: That practical and also how are women affected by to see energy of people, energy of men? What actually goes on?

Danielle Lin：那实际的层面，还有女性怎么受影响，去看人的能量、男人的能量？到底发生了什么？

Practical.

实际的。

Danielle Lin: That practical and also how are women affected by to see energy of people, energy of men? What actually goes on?

Danielle Lin：那实际的层面，还有女性怎么受影响，去看人的能量、男人的能量？到底发生了什么？

YB: The psyche, psyche between a man and woman can be spontaneous, it can be initiated, it can be magnetically attracted, magnetic field of a woman and a man at a certain frequency attract each other even on million miles. I have seen people falling in love with a woman they saw once on a TV and then chase that out to the end of it. Some got successfully and they married. So woman is a psyche and a man is a psyche and they are two magnetic field, they attract each other very well and they reject each other also the same way. So scientifically you want to look at it you are dealing with two independent dimensions which interact, co-relate.

YB：心识，男人和女人之间的心识可以是自发的，可以被启动，可以被磁性地吸引，女人和男人的磁场在某个频率上会互相吸引，哪怕相隔百万英里。我见过有人爱上一个只在电视上见过一次的女人，然后一路追到底。有些人成功了，他们结了婚。所以女人是一个心识，男人是一个心识，它们是两个磁场，彼此吸引得很好，也同样彼此排斥。所以从科学上看，你面对的是两个独立的维度，它们相互作用、相互关联。

Danielle Lin: Are they different? Are the energies different? I have heard you say that women are imprinted that their aura for example is imprinted whereas men are not? What does that mean?

Danielle Lin：它们不同吗？能量不同吗？我听你说过，女人是被印刻的，比如她们的能​​量圈是被印刻的，而男人不是？那是什么意思？

energies different? I have heard you say that women are imprinted that their aura for example is imprinted whereas men are not? What does that mean?

能量不一样？我听你说过，女人是被印刻的，比如说她的能量圈是被印刻的，而男人不是？那是什么意思？

YB: Not, yes, that's true. Because if you see the aura and if have capacity to see the aura, then you'll see clearly that you, when people who really see the auras cannot make a difference between man and woman because both have a halo of the aura but in a female on her breast line there is a very bright line and that line shows that she is a woman. Otherwise for that man who only reads aura, man and woman are the same. There is no difference and now he can read the aura, what the mind is saying, what the person is feeling and totality of person but woman is different. She has a different line at the heart center which a man doesn't. So basically, they are different.

YB：不，是的，那是真的。因为如果你看能量圈，如果你有能力看能量圈，那你就会清楚地看到，那些真正能看见能量圈的人分不出男人和女人，因为两者都有能量圈的能量圈，但在女性身上，在她乳房那条线上，有一条非常明亮的线，那条线表明她是女人。否则，对那个只读能量圈的人来说，男人和女人是一样的。没有区别，现在他能读能量圈，读心智在说什么，这个人在感受什么，以及这个人的整体，但女人不一样。她在心轮那里有一条不同的线，男人没有。所以从根本上说，他们是不一样的。

Their biological construction is different, their logic is different, their needs are different.

他们的生理构造不一样，他们的逻辑不一样，他们的需求不一样。

Danielle Lin: And you have talked about the emotional levels being different?

Danielle Lin：你还谈过情绪层面也不一样？

is different, their logic is different, their needs are different.

不一样，他们的逻辑不一样，他们的需求不一样。

Danielle Lin: And you have talked about the emotional levels being different?

Danielle Lin：你还谈过情绪层面也不一样？

YB: Oh absolutely. Their intelligence is different. They are very intelligent. Women are very intuitive, intelligent. God gave them this intelligence with a simple idea - to come through. Their sexual needs are different than that of a man. Their capacity is different.

YB：哦，绝对是。她们的智力不一样。她们非常聪明。女人非常直觉、聪明。神给她们这份智力，用意很简单——让她们能走过来。她们的性需求和男人不同。她们的能力不同。

So what I am trying to explain to you is that woman has to understand. It is a matter of re-educating a woman. It's educating a woman that she is not only a person. Emotions, feelings are totally different with the woman. Her biological need, her moon cycle, her menstruation, how she feels. She tried to solve the pregnancy problem with a pill. She tried to solve the pregnancy problem with a abortion, she tried to solve her food problem, middle age crisis woman go through. She wanted to be beautiful till death, she wants to be sixteen year old when she is sixty. Woman has pressures and those pressures have to be understand, they have to eliminated. Woman has not to sell herself emotionally.

所以我想向你解释的是，女人必须明白。这是重新教育女人的问题。是教育女人，她不只是一个人。情绪、感受在女人身上完全不同。她的生理需求、她的月亮周期、她的月经、她的感受。她试图用一颗药丸解决怀孕问题。她试图用堕胎解决怀孕问题，她试图解决自己的食物问题，中年危机是女人要经历的。她想美到死，她想在六十岁时还是十六岁。女人有压力，那些压力必须被理解，必须被消除。女人不必在情绪上出卖自己。

when she is sixty. Woman has pressures and those pressures have to be understand, they have to eliminated. Woman has not to sell herself emotionally.

在她六十岁的时候。女人有压力，那些压力必须被理解，必须被消除。女人不必在情绪上出卖自己。

Danielle Lin: How does she eliminate the problems? How does a woman who is sitting out in her apartment right now...

Danielle Lin：她怎么消除这些问题？一个此刻正坐在自己公寓里的女人……

YB: Single.

YB：单身。

Danielle Lin: Who is single...

Danielle Lin：她单身……

YB: Thinking.

YB：在思考。

Danielle Lin: Or married, listening to the program thinking, 'you know, this is great but I am really having a hard time here. I don't know how to deal with the fact that my husband rolled over and went to sleep and I don't know how to deal with the fact that I feel alone or I am worried about. ' I mean, the things that women worry about, all the things, 'am I beautiful enough, am I emotionally stable enough, can I know handle this? '

Danielle Lin：或者已婚，听着节目心里想，「你知道，这很好，可我真的很难受。我不知道该怎么面对我丈夫翻个身就睡了这件事，我也不知道该怎么面对我觉得孤单、或者我在担心这件事。」我是说，女人担心的那些事，所有那些事，「我够漂亮吗，我情绪够稳定吗，我能应付得了吗？」

about. ' I mean, the things that women worry about, all the things, 'am I beautiful enough, am I emotionally stable enough, can I know handle this? '

担心这件事。」我是说，女人担心的那些事，所有那些事，「我够漂亮吗，我情绪够稳定吗，我能应付得了吗？」

YB: Okay. If a woman is very beautiful before the mirror, she may not be beautiful to the eye of a man. Therefore what mirror tells you and what a man tells you, are not right. They won't agree. Number two; if you are alone, you are alone. Just remember on the top of the staircase, on the top of the ladder, there has to be alone. So basically if you are alone, just you can be yourself and wait and grow and glow and right person will come. But question is, woman has to be re-educated to find what a right person is. Right person is not a household, big money, family problems and all that. Person has to learn and a woman has to learn the authenticity to be a woman.

YB：好。如果一个女人在镜子前很美，她在男人眼里未必美。所以镜子告诉你的和男人告诉你的，都不对。它们不会一致。第二，如果你孤单，你就是孤单。只要记住，在楼梯的顶端，在梯子的顶端，必然是孤单的。所以基本上，如果你孤单，正好你可以做你自己，等待、成长、发光，对的人会来。但问题是，女人必须重新受教育，才能找到什么是对的人。对的人不是有房子、有大钱、有家庭问题那一套。人必须学习，而女人必须学会做一个女人的本真。

Right person is not a household, big money, family problems and all that. Person has to learn and a woman has to learn the authenticity to be a woman.

对的人不是有房子、有大钱、有家庭问题那一套。人必须学习，而女人必须学会做一个女人的本真。

Woman problem are today mostly are because men demand on a woman has increased hundred fold and this demand is so heavy that it is very confusing to a woman. You know what a man thinks? Woman has a right of vote, man has a right of vote. They are equal. So men don't become pregnant, men don't have menstruation, men do not have pelvic problem, there are biological, physical situations which are very different, which are very, very different than that of a man.

女人今天的问题，多半是因为男人对女人的要求涨了一百倍，而这要求太重了，让女人非常困惑。你知道男人怎么想吗？女人有投票权，男人有投票权。他们是平等的。可男人不会怀孕，男人不来月经，男人没有骨盆问题，有些生理的、身体的情况非常不同，跟男人非常、非常不同。

What has happened is that has been totally discarded. You are equal, I am equal, let us deal with it. That's not true. What she is, she is, therefore every woman has to understand that she is a woman and she should deal with it. A single woman goes out. Goes to the bar, goes to the clubs, goes to the friends and she doesn't want to be single. Natural, very organic. But if she doesn't want to be single and if she wants to find out a man and if she finds out a wrong man, she will be in most serious problem than you have a problem of a single woman.

发生的是，这些被彻底丢掉了。你平等，我平等，咱们就这么办吧。不是这样的。她是什么，她就是什么，所以每个女人都必须明白她是女人，她应该面对这件事。单身女人出门。去酒吧，去俱乐部，去朋友那儿，而她不想单身。自然，非常有机。但如果她不想单身，如果她想找一个男人，如果她找错了男人，她遇到的问题会比单身女人的问题严重得多。

and if she wants to find out a man and if she finds out a wrong man, she will be in most serious problem than you have a problem of a single woman.

如果她想找一个男人，结果找错了人，她陷入的麻烦会比你单身女人的麻烦严重得多。

What I am trying to say is that if you have a single problem, stay single till you find somebody to come and solve your single problem but don't become double and have double problem.

我想说的是，如果你有一个单身的问题，就保持单身，直到你找到一个人来帮你解决这个单身的问题，但不要变成双份，去承受双份的问题。

Side B

B 面

I am a psychologist, I have done my PhD in psychology. I have studied in and out. There is no solution to it. Every individual have a individual capacity, individual caliber, and individual handling of the situation. So if a individual problem is there, it has to be dealt individually and each person has their need. There are some women who just want to just be housewives, they are not ready to cut out for work and there are people who are just cut out for work. They are not cut out for housewives and we have a conventional problem in this life.

我是一名心理学家，我拿到了心理学博士学位。我里里外外都研究过。这个问题没有解决办法。每个人都有各自的能力、各自的资质、各自应对处境的方式。所以如果有一个个体的问题存在，它就必须被个体地处理，而每个人都有自己的需求。有些女人只想当家庭主妇，她们不打算出去工作；也有些人生来就是要去工作的。她们不适合当家庭主妇，而我们在这一生里有一个老一套的问题。

out for work and there are people who are just cut out for work. They are not cut out for housewives and we have a conventional problem in this life.

出去工作，也有些人生来就是要去工作的。她们不适合当家庭主妇，而我们在这一生里有一个老一套的问题。

So basically, what I am trying to explain to you is that woman has to deal about herself now much more importantly than yesterday. It's not the old village life and you have to just plough the fields and come back and take the food to the man and man comes back and he's all restful. It's not that. So with this tension and the movement and these fastness of the world woman is being pressured heavily and this heaviness on the woman is taking a very heavy toll.

所以基本上，我想向你们解释的是，女人现在必须比昨天更加重要地处理自己。这不是过去那种乡村生活——你只要耕完田回来，把饭端给男人，男人回来就好好休息。不是那样的。所以带着这种紧张、这种流动、这个世界这么快的节奏，女人正承受着沉重的压力，而压在女人身上的这份沉重正在造成非常惨重的代价。

Actually, you want to understand women are ageing fast, their nervous system is breaking fast, families are breaking fast, divorces is going on, children are very miserable because woman cannot handle this pressure and this is a unnecessary pressure which is being put on.

其实，你们要明白，女人正在快速衰老，她们的神经系统在快速崩溃，家庭在快速破裂，离婚不断发生，孩子们非常痛苦，因为女人无法承受这份压力，而这是一份被强加在她们身上的、不必要的压力。

Danielle Lin: It's her physical body. Does a woman's physical body age faster than a man or it's the same?

Danielle Lin：这是她的肉体。女人的肉体比男人衰老得更快吗，还是一样？

pressure which is being put on.

被强加在她们身上的压力。

Danielle Lin: It's her physical body. Does a woman's physical body age faster than a man or it's the same?

Danielle Lin：这是她的肉体。女人的肉体比男人衰老得更快吗，还是一样？

YB: No, woman body is very sturdy body because it has been given God the capacity to bear children. Therefore it is very sturdy and it is very regenerating. But it's not if she doesn't handle it right, then it goes all bad.

YB：不，女人的身体是非常结实的身体，因为神给了它生育孩子的能力。因此它非常结实，也非常能恢复活力。但如果她不好好对待它，它就会彻底变坏。

Danielle Lin: All right, what we are going to do here is, we are going to take a couple minutes out because I want to talk to you about something and when we come back we'll get more into the body but stay tuned for this.

Danielle Lin：好，我们接下来要做的是，我们先抽出几分钟，因为我想跟你谈点事情，等我们回来，我们会更深入地谈身体，但请继续收听。

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(Danielle Lin speaks aboutBody Wrap)

（Danielle Lin 谈到身体包裹）

... And they are located at 1618 Montana in West LA, (?) beautiful place over there.

……它们位于西洛杉矶的 Montana 街 1618 号，（？）那地方很美。

YB: Yeah, I am going to go today for that.

YB：是啊，我今天就要去那儿。

Danielle Lin: Tell me about that, it was from a yogi's point of view and from your, you have enough experience, what do you think about using mineral clays, do really...?

Danielle Lin：跟我说说那个，那是从瑜伽士的角度来看的，而从你的角度，你有足够的经验，你怎么看使用矿物泥，真的……？

about that, it was from a yogi's point of view and from your, you have enough experience, what do you think about using mineral clays, do really...?

关于那个，那是从瑜伽士的角度来看的，而从你的角度，你有足够的经验，你怎么看使用矿物泥，真的……？

YB: Well, the problem in the whole body is because of the shortage of mineral. Water does not give the you the minerals it should give and by, you know, in the olden days, it is very funny. I was studying a three thousand year old study, three thousand year old, you know, they used to do this leeches. They will put a leech on the body of a person and she will suck the blood and then from that blood they will analyze what minerals you have got in your body and whether the water suits your body or not. So basically, this is, this is what situation is. If the body does not have elementary minerals it needs for its own structural cellular growth.

YB：嗯，整个身体的问题是因为矿物质的短缺。水没有给你它应该给你的矿物质，而且，你知道，在古时候，这很有意思。我当时在研究一份三千年前的研究，三千年前的，你知道，他们过去会用这个水蛭。他们会把一只水蛭放在一个人的身上，她会吸血，然后从那个血里他们会分析你身体里有哪些矿物质，以及那水是否适合你的身体。所以基本上，情况就是这样。如果身体没有它自身结构性的细胞生长所需的基本矿物质。

There are ten trillion cells which change seventy two hours and you have to deal with it and I think this is what I feel that if body massage... What is a massage? You massage it from outside, the oils will get into your body...

有十万亿个细胞，每 72 小时更新一次，你必须应对它，我想这就是我的感觉，如果身体按摩……按摩是什么？你从外面按摩它，油会进入你的身体……

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